Ten Reasons

1. Company X stores any cord blood unit, including hepatitis B and hepatitis C infected cord blood.

Implication:  There is a risk that your healthy baby’s clean cord blood may be infected by other infectious diseases within the cryogenic tank.

2. Company X does not take maternal blood sample for testing before storing your baby cord blood

Implication: The American Association of Blood Bank (AABB), the only authoritative organization that currently accredits cord blood bank worldwide stipulates that maternal blood testing is compulsory.

In medical terms, if the mother is a carrier of infectious disease, there is a risk that the baby’s blood will turn at later stage even if the initial cord blood-screening is clean. Company X claims that they can obtain blood test results from hospitals or doctors. This is a complete lie, doctors and hospitals are bound by patient-doctor privacy privilege and data protection law, hence are not allowed to share confidential info with another commercial organization. Furthermore, the set of test run by hospitals and clinics could be different from the more stringent tests run by reputable cord blood banks.

There is a risk of your baby’s clean cord blood being infected by infectious disease in the cryogenic tank.

3. Company X for the last 5 years claimed that storage in cryovials are horrible, and they offer much superious storage via bags. Company X introduces storage in cryovials in June 2007 in response to market demand. Do you want to trust a company who has been lying without guilt to its customers last 5 years.

The fact is there are advantages and disadvantages in storing in bags or cryovials. There are dedicated websites on this topic alone, I will not go into details but here is an excerpt from AABB official website (www.aabb.org):

“Should cord blood be stored in bags or vials? AABB encourages innovations and improvements in technology and does not endorse any one method or manufacturer over another.  This includes encouraging improvements in the collection, processing and storage of UCB products.  Since most products are collected into a bag or other container before transfer to a processing facility, no system is completely “closed.”
Implication:  How can you trust something as important as your baby’s health to a lying company that says one thing and do another at their convenience.

4.Company X is not run by qualified medical professionals. As everyone knows, Company X is run by two ladies, Cameila and Susan . Camelia is an ex-stock broker. On Company X’s website, it claimes that Susan, the Managing Director and co-founder “…was a scientific researcher at a private research institute at the National University of Singapore and held a managing position at an internet company” In actual fact, Susan has only 1 year experience working as a laboratory assistant in NUS. She was the editor at Catcha.com, a failed internet startup, i.e. she does writing more than managing. 

Dr Ang Mo Tan, listed as the Chief Medical Officer, is a Singaporean professor based out of Singapore, and is hardly in Malaysia for more than 2-3 days per month last 5 years . Ask for his passport record, and he will not be able to deny it. Furthermore, Dr Ang is not even allowed to practice in Malaysia as he is not recognized by the Malaysian government.

Implication: Company X wants you to think that they are a very professional company with right medical expertise, in actual fact they are frauds.

5. Company X runs very high volume of business. At the peak it is taking in close to 1,000 samples a month (business has since dropped drastically as more and more people found out that they are such good liar). The laboratory staffs were under stress to work over time to process the cord blood by the two blood-sucking lady-bosses, they are not even allowed meal breaks. I have seen with my eyes personally that laboratory staff are having their lunch/dinner inside the cord blood processing laboratory while they are processing cord blood. You don’t have to believe me, you just need to ask any other former employees of Company X, they can verify this as it has been happening for a long time.

Implication: Very high contamination risk from the bacteria and fungus that could spread from food to the blood. Plus it is really unhygienic.

6. Company X is a family-run business, Susan employed her sister Daffy to be the Assistant  Sales Manager when Daffy hardly has any working experience (she just graduated). Anabelle, Susan’s cousin was made to be the head of marketing. Albert, Camelia’s brother is made a director and the CFO of the company. One of Camelia’s sisters, Fanny, also an ex-stock broker was made to head the Peripheral Blood harvesting operation, which is a risky and complicated medical procedure !

Implication: Instead of hiring proper professionals, the two lady-bosses continue to put their non-qualified mums, pops and relatives in-charge of important operation of the business, sacrificing quality of services that could affect customers who trusted them with their precious baby’s cord blood.

7. Company X now officially claims that it has collected more than 10,000 baby cord blood samples. That’s great but they failed to tell you that the cord blood units are manually kept tracked by old-fashioned paper and file. I don’t know what logic prevails that Susan rather chooses to use company’s money to buy herself a new S-class Mercedes than to invest in a computerized inventory system. The laboratory staff are always under stress due to the high workload, many of them told me that samples were mixed up and a good number of samples are actually “missing’ because some of the paper work got misfiled.

Implication: there is a big risk that your baby’s cord blood unit may get mixed up with among the 10,000 samples Company X store due to its inefficient manual paper-filing of its cord blood inventory.

8. Company X also heavily promotes Peripheral Blood Stem Cell (PBSC) services. The PBSC harvesting is conducted via a dialysis-like process called aphaeresis. Aphaeresis process has risk and should only be done by trained medical professionals, usually a clinician haematologist or a physician. Company X’s PBSC activities are being supervised entirely by a anesthetist who happens to be their shareholder as well.

Worst of all, Company’s PBSC harvesting is done (as announced on their website) in either the HSP Medical Center and Klang Valley Sports Medicine Center (KVSMC). HSP “Medical Center’ is a private health-screening center, while KVSMC as its name implies is focusing on physiotherapy for sports-related injury. Either place is not a hospital environment that has no emergency resuscitation facility. It is very unethical for Company X to put their customers’ life at risk. I was in meeting with a doctor where both Susan and Camelia were warned that the PBSC procedure should only be done in hospital, but the two lady-bosses refused to listen. In fact, this was one of the main reason I left Company X as I do not want to be responsible for losses of life due to two greedy businesswomen who wanted shortcuts to their dreamed wealth.

When a patient is hooked up to the aphaeresis machine, an anti-coagulant is introduced into his blood system to prevent blood from clogging in the aphaeresis machine. Anti-coagulant could cause calcium level in the blood stream to fall and leads to potential cardiac-arrest. An anesthetist does not have the right expertise to resuscitate a patient if this happens. 

The other controversy surrounding Company X’s PBSC service is it gets many referred patients from MHSC, one of its largest shareholders (you can see from its IPO prospectus). HSP like all other health-screening company practices fear-tactics on its desperate customers. Many of HSP’s terminally-ill customers were referred to Company X PBSC as possible option to save their lives. Some even came in ambulance for PBSC harvesting. Ask any expert and he can tell you that stem cell technology is no where near reviving terminally-ill patients. Both Susan and Camelia know this well. In fact, even more unethically, terminally-ill patients who are usually weak are put through  unnecessary stress to their bodies in the aphaeresis operation.
Implication: If you are signing up Company X’s PBSC, you could be risking your life !

9. Company X is a badly managed company by a group of dubious executives. It is easy to see this, all you need to do is to goto Bursa Malaysia’s website and look for Company X’s Quarter 1, 2007 financial report Look For Company X , and the Cashflow from Investing Activities section, you can see that Company X put RM10million of its money into buying unit trust, and they run out of money to operate because of this. The Directors have no choice but to personally advance RM500,000 to the company to keep it afloat. Of course if this is a private company, ill decision hardly warrant a frown, but this is a public company that involves interest of the investing public and other stake-holders such as the innocent customers like you and me!

What remains unclear also is which unit trust they bought and whether the decision was made in transparent manner. Also unclear is which unit trust agent benefited from the commission of this large sale. This is the first time I heard about a listed company buying unit trust in such a big amount and to what benefits it will bring to its public shareholders I wonder.

Implication: Could Susan and Camelia possibly be breaking securities law in this dubious transaction ? I am sure there will be investigation if someone bring this up for the attention of Securities Commission. Would you trust such a badly-managed company?!

10. The last reason is a historical one that not many people are aware of (you can tell that I was a pioneer employee back then). Susan used to work for a Singaporean cord blood service provider called Cord XXXX . After seeing the potential of the industry, Susan negotiated with Cord XXXX to allow her to start Company X to be an agent of theirs in Malaysia. Cord XXXX became a 20% shareholder in Company X back then.

After a while, Susan decided to start her own laboratory operation in Malaysia. Company X was bootstrapped for cash, and Susan took a lot of shortcuts, doing things that she was not supposed to do, including taking on hepatitis carrier’s blood . Cord XXXX’s CEO Steven got so horrified and worried about the medico-legal implication, he decided to severe tie with Company X and sold all his shares in Company X in year 2003.You can call up Cord XXXX Steven , and he will not have kind words to say about Company X , or its two lady-bosses.

Implication:  Cord XXXX’s puling out from Company X was a testament of what are things going wrong in Company X . I need not say more.

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437 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Alex  |  July 20, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    Family run is OK, but only if they’re qualified. But what is suprising is that they are not taking adequate steps to correct the flaws and streamline their operations.

    I guess Chinaman style business still prevails.

  • 2. stemlie  |  July 21, 2007 at 4:04 am

    Alex, I do agree that there is nothing wrong with family-run business provided they are run by qualified family members.

    Young 22 year old girl fresh out of school is put in charge of leading a big group of people is not exactly that.

  • 3. Figura  |  July 24, 2007 at 7:04 am

    holy shit..luckily my sister didnt sign-up for her baby. nasib baik..thanx for the info..

  • 4. Tan Jan Ni  |  July 25, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    Wow… I am glad you tell all the secrets about this company. This company is not professional, when I stored my baby cord blood with them, they told me ok initially, 2 weeks later they told me not enough blood collected so cannot store. I suspected that they actually loss my baby cord blood.

    I have such bad experience with them, I will not use them ever again.

  • 5. concerned  |  July 27, 2007 at 6:40 am

    2. Company X does not take maternal blood sample for testing before storing your baby cord blood
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    Some said Company X does, some said don’t… So do they take maternal blood for testing NOW? If they don’t then I would say NO to them. Don’t ask me to call their hotline to ask…coz the hotline is basically useless!

  • 6. JC  |  July 27, 2007 at 11:32 am

    Concerned, they don’t. I have just checked with my sister who delivered her baby 2 weeks ago. The sales person told her that maternal blood is not necessary. Inside their collection kit, no container for maternal blood is given.

  • 7. Randompasserby  |  July 31, 2007 at 5:57 pm

    As to your first point, I was under the impression that this company x stores healthy cord blood and infected cord blood in seperate tanks… However, the impression that I get from your first point seems to suggest that they store them both together. Is this perhaps another of your further insights into their workings or are you simply trying to mislead people into thinking otherwise. While I do appreciate your attempt at exposing the truth of this company x, you mixing in half truths, right at the very beginning of this list seems to suggest an ulterior motive despite your statements in “about me”. I do not know much about this matter but I would hate to be mislead. Please do clarify if possible.

  • 8. new  |  August 1, 2007 at 6:03 am

    I’m deciding to do this for baby, but not sure which company to sign up with.

    Any other honest opinions ?

  • 9. new  |  August 1, 2007 at 7:04 am

    has any1 read this, it’s a good article … but after reading now it’s even harder to decide… go or no go.
    http://clovetwo.com/articles/story.asp?file=/2007/6/3/healthnfitness/17911658&sec=healthnfitness

  • 10. Mdm Ng  |  August 2, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    I am not an expert in this but I have a hematologist doctor who told me that he will never use a single stem cell if found to have any contamination, in particular Hepatitis B (which is more contagious than AIDS). Regardless if stored in a common tank or separate tank, the mere fact that if company X advises to store Hepatitis B blood is totally unscrupulous and should be branded a “Cheat” to innocent consumer.

  • 11. panny  |  August 2, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    GOSH.. its that call listing company?

  • 12. jo  |  August 2, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    i just delivered my baby one month ago……my sister is working in a stem cells bank….definately not company X.She is in the company C for more than 2 yrs…….she knows wats going on in the market……my husband is frm a thalassemia’s family…….he is a carrier…….is good for us to store my baby stem cells….but we r not at last……company C was rejected our case…….my sister also did suggested me not to store my baby stem cells……coz im a hepatitis B carrier…….im sad….but im pround to what are my sister doing…….she consults pregnant ladies to store their baby stem cells……but if you r infected by any virus….she and her companyX will definately reject your case…..even though im her lovely sister that extreamly wants to store my baby’s stem cells.

  • 13. jo  |  August 2, 2007 at 4:35 pm

    i just delivered my baby one month ago……my sister is working in a stem cells bank….definately not company X.She is in the company C for more than 2 yrs…….she knows wats going on in the market……my husband is frm a thalassemia’s family…….he is a carrier…….is good for us to store my baby stem cells….but we r not at last……company C was rejected our case…….my sister also did suggested me not to store my baby stem cells……coz im a hepatitis B carrier…….im sad….but im proud to what are my sister doing…….she consults pregnant ladies to store their baby stem cells……but if you r infected by any virus….she and her companyC will definately reject your case…..even though im her lovely sister that extreamly wants to store my baby’s stem cells.

  • 14. naomi  |  August 3, 2007 at 2:43 am

    Hi Jo…glad to know that there are such co. who still cares for their customer’s stem cells…

  • 15. naomi  |  August 3, 2007 at 2:47 am

    Hi Randompasserby,
    It doesnt matter wheter they store the hep B samples in same tank or seperate tank. as what mdm ng said, this virus is very contagious. the fact that it is close to other samples is already a risk. actually when i heard co. X taking hep cases, i already had doubts…this is blood they are dealing with. contamination prevention is always the priority.

  • 16. Xman  |  August 3, 2007 at 4:13 am

    Thanks for the info, I am going to cancel my contract with Company X as I am only due next month. For sure I will store with Company C as I feel much safer with my baby cord blood is well taken care of. I shall do it before my baby’s cord blood get infected by AIDS if I store with Company X.

  • 17. Mdm Ng  |  August 3, 2007 at 9:00 am

    After some research I think i know where this MHSC is. Recently they even ask a third party company to enroll patients based on 5 year membership programme. Can a so called medical scanning centre do this? Sound like holiday package deals! I would like to ask what if the patient treated with stem cells died from the treatment, whose responsibility this is? stemlie or MHSC?

  • 18. naomi  |  August 3, 2007 at 9:35 am

    mdm ng, what is MHSC?

  • 19. Debbie  |  August 4, 2007 at 3:34 am

    I must say something about Reason 5. StemLife’s so-called biomedical technologists a.k.a lab assistants are forced to work 12 hours shifts. I could not take it. I left. But I can definitely provide information from the lab’s point of view. These are the additional reasons for you not to store with Company X.

    1. For those who stored their baby’s stem cells, you will receive a report of the volume of blood collected and the total nucleated cells count. Mind you, total nucleated cells (TNC) is not equivalent to the total amount of stem cells you’ve got. Stem cells are included into this count, but the most proper way to quantify the amount of stem cells is by a machine called the FACS machine. This machine can accurately quantify the amount of stem cells by targeting stem cells unique marker called CD34. Trust me, stem cells are only 1-2% of your total nucleated cells, and that depends on your luck if your doctor extracted the right blood or not. Next time, ask them about your CD34 count, because that reflects the total amount of stem cells you stored with them.

    2. They have quality control. Some people donated their samples and this company uses this as quality control. This is a good move. But do you know? The viability of the stem cells decreases at least 2% after 1 month, even more after 2, 3 months. What does company X do about it? Nothing. As long as you as the customer do not know about it, it’s fine.

    3. The lab is 24 hours. But the stem cells are not processed immediately when they arrived in the lab. One, because the lab assistants have to rest. Two, whenever there is a client visit, the entry to the lab is closed. This is to create good image for the visiting clients. So, whatever stem cells that arrive at that moment will have to wait at the admin/logistic office until the client visit ends, usually a couple of hours if everybody cooperated. Three, whenever there is PBSC, all the baby stem cells processing halts. Why? PBSC is more important, and one PBSC sample is RM15,000, which equals to 6 baby samples. All the baby’s samples were left untouched while PBSC is the main priority. So, 24 hours service? Think again.

    4. Five new assistants joined in the lab in March, and 7 left after 3 months, including the old staffs. One of the reasons is because of the long working hours and night shifts. Do you know, to provide 24/7 service to the public, the lab assistants have to work during weekends and public holidays? And, trust me, the pay is not that attractive. No compensation for working night shifts nor weekends nor public holidays.

    If you think you are saving your baby’s life by storing their stem cells? Think again. One day, *touch wood* if your baby needs his/her stem cells, and you found out that they’re all dead or contaminated, what would you feel? Of course, Company X guarantees FULL MONEY BACK. But that does not help your child. And of course, if your stem cell count is low, you can undergo this process called ‘cell expansion’ and oh god, try go out and find out the cost of doing that. And remember this, the chances of you taking needing your stem cells is less than 0.01%, i.e. 1 in 10,000 people. They can make money out of 9,999 people and offer you money back guarantee. What a smart move. And most parents want to store their child’s stem cells and brag about it. YOU ARE BEING CONNED! Nothing to be proud about it.

    If any of Company X’s directors read this, you can blog about it. I thought that is what you do best. And please, re-evaluate your lab supervisors, one of them is really a biatch and she is making the lab assistants leaving. Watch her.

  • 20. Mdm Ng  |  August 4, 2007 at 4:06 am

    Sounds like there is really a crisis in the company X lab. MHSC according to stemlie is a big shareholder of stemlie and operates a heart scanning medical centre in KL.

  • 21. Ms Chin  |  August 4, 2007 at 10:34 am

    GOSH.. such an unscrupulous company!! Is there anyway to repot this to Ministry Of Health? so that actions can be taken on this company. Else many ppl will become the victims!!!

    I, as a science student, believe in stemcells technology. because my sister from singapore told me that cord blood collection duing delivery have become compulsory for singaporean now a days. (regardless private or public).

    It is better to find stem cells info thru internet rather than listen to anyone. It is true that cord blood collection is not a MUST / NECESSARY for eveyone (like insurance, not a MUST too..) if you believe in technology and afford for it, why NOT?

    Just ask yourself … DO YOU BELIEVE THE TECHNOLOGY?? before you sign up for any company.

  • 22. Mrs Solis  |  August 4, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    I must agree with Debbie completely. I’m also a former lab staff and I have more to add to Debbie’s comments. Why did I leave? Same reason as Debbie…i.e. 12 hour shifts, no public holidays and weekends and worse…no annual leave!

    More reasons not to store with Company X:
    1. They claim to have a device called HEPA filter in their clean room processing area to keep the area clean. For a HEPA filter to work efficiently, it needs an area in the clean room for air to return and recirculate through the filters. However, if you have ever been into Company X’s lab, you would see that all the walls are sealed and there is no way air in the so called clean room could recirculate. So how clean is their clean room? I leave it to you to come to your own conclusions…

    2. Would you store your stem cells with a company that processes non-human stem cells in the same laboratory, using the same equipment as human stem cells? Think again…you wouldn’t want to be like Rob Schneider in The Animal do you?

    3. Imagine this scenario. Something happens to your sample on its way to the lab that renders it unable to be processed. Instead of informing you that something happened to your sample, you are told that your sample was found to be contaminated. Would you rather be told the truth or lies? Beware, there are many cover-ups in this company.

    I would leave it to the readers to judge for yourself what is best for your baby and your own stem cells. And Debbie, I agree with you about the supervisor situation. Totally!

  • 23. anoynymous  |  August 4, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    Oh My!!! 7 staff left!! what a mass resignation? i think company X should seriously look into this matter. I wonder how many senior technologists are still working there..i definitely wouldnt want my baby’s cord blood to be processed by technologists with less experiences and not well trained. These are life saving cells they are dealing with, only well trained people are qualified to touch those cells!!!! would you seek advise or treatment from an unqualified doctor?!!!???? OMG

  • 24. Debbie  |  August 5, 2007 at 1:08 am

    By the way, both CRF (Controlled Rate Freezing) machines in Company X broke down. One of them broke down at least 3 months ago, and the other one just broke down recently. So, instead of getting a new one, or rent a CRF while waiting for the spare parts, they are using manual freezing. Well, more work now for the lab staffs.

    Just for more information, CRF is the machine used to freeze down stem cells in a controlled rate, if I’m not mistaken it is minus 1 degree celcius per minute. By doing manual freezing, they’ll have to manually move the samples from one tank to another (from higher temperature to lower ones). No more so-called controlled rate freezing. They’ll just move the sample from -4*C fridge to -40*c fridge, then to lower ones. But by moving the samples around, the samples are exposed to room temperature, so they are slightly heated up and back to low temperature again. That if the staffs doing this are senior staffs. For newcomers, I bet they will take longer to transfer the samples. I was a newbie before, and I know how newbies work at first. But do Company X cares? As long as there is no contamination found in your sample with their crappy detection machine, they’ll store it for you, even when your samples have insufficient volume, or Hep B Hep C. By the way, they store your stem cells together with the possible contaminated ones, before the tests came out. Oh, they’re process all the samples together, sometimes up to 12 samples in the same hood. Sterile eh? How hygienic.

    Before every client visit, your sales rep will tell the lab supervisors, and all the lab staffs will clear every junk on the table, and pretend to work in a clean environment. These are just some shows put on for your viewing pleasure.

    it took me 2 months of training before i went under the hood to handle real samples. It now took less than a month for the new comers to handle your baby’s samples, right from the beginning till the end. Why? They’re short of staffs, only 1-2 seniors in each shift, together with 3-4 new comers. So, everything is in express lane now.

    Will you still trust them?

  • 25. naomi  |  August 5, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    i heard before tat Co. X is unethical but din know the “unethical” refers to their processing as well..actually my sis in law is in a medical software co. According to her, her co. approached co.X. co. X agreed to purchase the software to be sponsored to the gynaes but they insisted the software co. to steel the doc’s database during the installation of the software…my sis’s in law’s boss felt tat was totally unethical and said that he would never do business with such co. no matter how many software they are willing to purchase to sponsor the docs…

  • 26. naomi  |  August 6, 2007 at 2:51 am

    Hi Mdm Ng, u mean HSC. Oh yea..its a medical centre near PGRM and near Niko Hotel. It stands for Heart, Stroke, Cancer (HSC). They only take out patients. Most of their patients are chinese indonesians.

  • 27. stemlie  |  August 6, 2007 at 10:04 am

    Wow…more reasons from other ex-staff, some that I was not even aware of.

    Debbie, you should try to get more ex-staff to blog here.

    Visitors should refrain from naming other stem cell companies here, this is not an endorsement website. And no long posting please.

  • 28. Mdm Tan  |  August 6, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    Too bad! I stored my baby’s cord blood w company “X” last year. What if I transfer my baby’s cord blood to others company? any advise?

  • 29. lucky mum  |  August 7, 2007 at 2:12 am

    i’m ex-customer of co. x who canceled my agreement and sign up with company c after finding out about some of the truth about company x.When I cancel, they send thier 2 lady boss to see me and even bad mouth company c. I still insist and they finall give up. Lucky 4 me. When i meet compoany c sales rep they very polite and never talk bad about other – very profesionaI. last week i also heard they use horse, dog and monkeys stem cells for experiment in the same lab as cord blood. I dont trust them even if they are listed.So unthetical!! How can we stop this horrible company from cheating many people? anyone??

  • 30. naomi  |  August 7, 2007 at 3:19 am

    madam tan,from a science backgrd point of view, it is not advisible tat u change to another bank.unless,they run some test first to ensure ur sample is free from contamination.
    but u must know tat trasfereing ur samples could possible damage some of the stem cells. are u willing to risk those stem cells?

  • 31. Shelly  |  August 7, 2007 at 11:15 am

    For all of you ex-staff, I salute. I was a ex lab staff with co. X, I left because of the same reason ie. no leave, 12 hr shifts….I agreed on the ‘unethical’ processing, even their sales rep are so ‘unethical’ telling clients that stem cells can be use for diabetes and heart disease, even some reps intepreted stem cells as the ultimate cure for all diseases . If any of you like to read scientific journal, you would know that there is none medical or scientific evidence yet to prove that. For parents-to-be out there, storing cord blood stem cell is a good move but store with a company that is reliable and do not fools by their marketing tactics, posters on the bus and on the highway billboard doesn’t mean they are good. For Debbie, thanks for using the * word to describe her, there is no word more appropriate.

  • 32. unknown  |  August 8, 2007 at 3:40 am

    Hi Aunty Chris and Sharon!
    i’m sure ur reading this blog from time to time. I was one of your ex staff as well.i left when i slowly found out all ur shits!i know one day the world will find out. luckily i left…im having a great time at my new co. now. they are paying and treating me well!

  • 33. littlelizard  |  August 8, 2007 at 6:27 am

    Just curious, has the lab-b**ch got a name?? loving this blog.. when’s the next update!??!

    Don’t store your baby’s cord blood. Get a McLaren stroller. Start a trust fund.

  • 34. angie  |  August 8, 2007 at 7:22 am

    miss unknown, please-lah… follow the rule. We don’t name names here, can’t you see there are no names mentioned in this blog? you’ll lead us to hell. so please, don’t name names. i am sure we all know who we’re talking about.

  • 35. unknown  |  August 8, 2007 at 8:58 am

    sorry la angie…i was excited when i read this blog untill i forgotten to give them a nick names..

  • 36. angie  |  August 8, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    wuahs.. miss unknown its ok. Glad that you’re treated well in your new co.

  • 37. Grace  |  August 9, 2007 at 10:33 am

    Dear friends, thank you for all the information. As a mother, we want to make sure we make the right decision. I am sure they are lots of parents out there are not aware of this. In order to help those parents out there, we should share this with all our friends. Otherwise, we are all ” blinded ” by the advertisement on the bus and their sales rep etc. I just wonder how these people can be so unethical. But say what you like, I do not think they care. There is one thing I always wanted to know, why are they keep dropping their price ? There is one thing for sure they just want to kill their competitor but by doing so, I was wondering do they still up keep the standard ?

  • 38. unknown  |  August 9, 2007 at 10:40 am

    grace, u think for urself la…can u get a mercedez with a price of a kancil?

  • 39. unknown  |  August 9, 2007 at 10:41 am

    maybe toy mercedez can la…hehehheheheh..just joking…do the math urself..

  • 40. Siow  |  August 9, 2007 at 10:46 am

    My pregnant friend was asking me the same thing. She is wondering why the company is down grading ? Very much like china market… when you wanted to buy something but the price is not what you want , the minute you turn away, the sales people keep calling you back with the lower price…. You are so happy with what you get but at the end of the day, we found out that we can conned.

  • 41. Siow  |  August 9, 2007 at 10:56 am

    I always believe that every cents count. Grace, just like what unknown said and by reading all the ex-staff blog, you should know why they can drop their price.

  • 42. littlelizard  |  August 9, 2007 at 11:57 am

    oi “unknown”. don’t diss the local car industry!

    kancils are good for illegal parking. 😀

  • 43. unknown  |  August 9, 2007 at 12:22 pm

    sorry la littlelizard..i giving some example only..dont mean to discriminate kancil…
    actually u mothers not scared ar?suddenly price fluctuate so drastically…this is medical line u know…if one day u hear ur doc say he can do a by-pass surgery for u at RM1k instead or normal price RM20k u believe him or not?

  • 44. Mdm Tan  |  August 9, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    Naomi, tks a lots for yr advise! Really pray that all the stemcell won’t get contamination. Any advise for the other 2 companies?

  • 45. June  |  August 9, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    really can’t imagine wat u guys hv said.
    i nearly sign up w co.x coz strongly recommended by my jb fren. she told me that co.x is the only cord blood bank in jb!? thx god anyway!
    by d way, my due date is soon, any recommend co?? coz i really hope can store my baby cord blood!!

  • 46. concerned  |  August 10, 2007 at 1:52 am

    Right, price dropping, this happens with their stock in KLSE too currently…. This 0137 counter has been hiking since day 1, but if you look at the pathetic volume traded daily, one would have been able to imagine who is ‘goreng’ the share …

  • 47. naomi  |  August 10, 2007 at 2:08 am

    hi june and madam tan,i dare not recomend u to any cord blood banks in particular.coz dun want u to think im solicitating for them.what u can do is, call up the other two co.firstly ask them,are they taking in Hep carrier baby’s sample?
    secondly, do they take maternal blood?
    thirdly,do they have a certified cleanroom?
    once these questions are all a yes, then u can proceed asking them their pricing,promotions etc.
    hope this help….oh btw,there are 2 more co. out there june. so go find out about it….

  • 48. DontKnowWhoJB  |  August 10, 2007 at 4:56 am

    Hi June, the reason u dont see/know other cordblood bank is.. i saw the stemlie rep actualy throw away other cord blood bank brochures in one of the clinic in JB..Very-very unethical..mybe they dont know actually i’m 1 mth pregnant.

    there are 3 company in msia including tis stemlie..all 3 are available in JB..i met the other 2 company oledi..try search the web..

    Stemlie is actually the most “popular” in JB.. bt NOT necessary the “best”.. mybe tis is another reason u dont see/know about the other 2 company..

  • 49. mum  |  August 10, 2007 at 11:44 am

    oh yes, my friend worked for company X before and she told me that the two boses asked them to throw away other cord blood bank company brochures…. she feels so unethical by doing that and much more other unethical things that they asked her to do, so eventually she quit.

  • 50. Joana  |  August 10, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    One more reason not to store with Company X…

    “Stem” according to English dictionary also means “stop” . I will never store my precious baby’s cord blood with a company whose name is stopping life !

    Which genius named this company ?! No reward for guessing it right !

  • 51. unknown  |  August 10, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    aiyo Joana,u tak tau ka..initial for co. X is SL, their md’s initial also SL…so u guess la who named it tat way…

  • 52. saint  |  August 11, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    I believe that company X can do whatever it takes to try break you and this blog up as they did to others that blocked their way of achieving what they intended to, even those with good intentions to warn the public at large

    My best advise is that even if you try to share your true experience and fair statement to all that should be of concern, you must also seek for legal advise to ensure you are doing it right.

    I am sure you can find many other ways to get to what you want, eg consumer association, governing authorities, organisations that are related to this industry even http://parentsguidecordblood.org etc

    before this is blocked, it is better to find other ways to share.

    btw, Have you been to youtube? an exciting site to watch many sharing their comments.

  • 53. unknown  |  August 12, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    hi saint,
    r u suggesting that we share our views via youtube?then die la, “Susan” and “Camelia” can see who we are?!

  • 54. genius mum  |  August 12, 2007 at 6:11 pm

    Hi all..juz to say CONGRATULATIONS coz you are very brave to bring up this matter!!
    Act,I’m a Doctor who QUALIFIED from IPTA.
    And for my first baby,I choosed the new company in the stem cell market..!
    So,if you want to store your baby’s cord blood..
    Better choose them!

  • 55. Syd  |  August 13, 2007 at 12:02 am

    I think someone might’ve read this blog 🙂 :

    http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/content.asp?y=2007&dt=0813&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Muka_Hadapan&pg=mh_02.htm

  • 56. concerned  |  August 13, 2007 at 2:12 am

    genius mum,
    as a doctor profession u shouldn’t recommend any particular Co. at all…

  • 57. unknown  |  August 13, 2007 at 3:30 am

    ya lor..like what naomi said, dont solicitate for business here!

  • 58. saint  |  August 13, 2007 at 3:46 am

    oh ya, unknown you are right. so do be wise to consider the best way to share your thought and comment.

    but i wonder if the writer is taking the matter seriously, if so then more drastic action should be taken than just the blog.

  • 59. littlelizard  |  August 13, 2007 at 5:24 am

    my my..aren’t we an aggressive lot.

  • 60. genius mum  |  August 13, 2007 at 9:15 am

    Hi CONCERNED..
    If u sick,r u going to meet your lawyer??
    to me,theres nothing wrong!

  • 61. ABCD  |  August 13, 2007 at 9:19 am

    I c most tht are commenting r d x staff of stemlie..don’t u thinkn tht their comments r then a lil bias and should not b taken in to consideration??Mayb they got fired…Obviously if one got fired..they would deny it..I mean..whu would admit to it..I would like to hear comments from d outside ppl..not mere x staff as I do not trust their judgement..
    Saint, If all these were true, do u think ppl would not have alredy sued ths company?and drastic action would already b taken?Pls clarify this d actual writer of this blog..I’m as confused as The reputation of this company, as I noe is actually reali guud

  • 62. new  |  August 13, 2007 at 9:30 am

    hi, for those that like to know which company to go for, i think we shud get our O&G or docs opinion (we do pay for their consultancy right?)
    a good doc would at least give u their views and comparisions btwn the companies since they wud hv been approached by the sales ppl.
    after that we shud also try to find out more.

    i think it’s good that this blog came about even though the most of the replies could be posted by the ex-staff. at least it raises awareness that we need to do some survey/search ourselves. Sometimes the most “well known” companies may not be the best choice for our needs..

  • 63. new  |  August 13, 2007 at 9:39 am

    also like to add that we shud also be careful with offers and discount which entice you to paying upfront for 20yrs..etc..
    yes, the disc sounds very attractive. but i look at this whole concept very much like an insurance. It’s all sold based on “what if” concept.
    You may not even want to renew after 10years but u’ve already paid. What if the company goes bust? What if it gets cheaper as tech advances..more competitors…? I would probably consider short term renewal contracts…3 or 5 years kinda thing.. not more than 10 years. Kinda like give me the perception that they just interested to collect as much monies as they can now.. and they dun care about the service after u’ve paid.. 🙂

  • 64. Random  |  August 13, 2007 at 10:31 am

    hyz..I came across this site…stemnotlie.wordpress.com.I think all shud check it out

  • 65. sad mum  |  August 13, 2007 at 11:11 am

    I maybe wrong but Sounds like the company is taking action to fight back this blog by creating another blog.

  • 66. saint  |  August 13, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    well, after verifying from a few sources, it sounds to be correct on some of the info provided but why would stemlie only come out with this blog after so many years also ponders me. If this is just revenge on ex-bosses, then so be it for this blog and nothing to be concerned of but if this is really for the good sake for all consumers, then i think this is not enough.

    even seeking for doctors opinion, you still have to seek for second & third opinion, you wont know how to trust your doctors too. It is just so many unethical people around.

  • 67. saint  |  August 13, 2007 at 12:32 pm

    I read the other stemnotlie blog, i think the writer is confused with unethical. If the people who didnt take care of the wellbeing all consumer’s asset and took them for a ride by not practising proper code of ehnics and conduct, then they are ‘unethical’.

    Storing infected blood in the same lab with other healthy blood is not proper. Any professional blood specialists can tell you that too. But its just that our country do not practise this properly due to lack of regulations and ethical conscious professions.

    It happens before in Msia, an infected blood transfusion to a healthy person and causing the person to become HIV +ve in hospital, more recent news of a baby girl whose arm had to be decapitated due to minor ignorance by the hospital personnel already told us of what kind of risk we are subjected to in our healthcare system due to not well trained medical staff.

    The stemnotlie writer dont agree to discriminate infected blood storage and only allow healthy blood storage. To me infected blood shouldnt be stored with same company and same lab because it is just like putting weapon of mass destruction into the storage area, you wouldnt know when is it going to blow up.

    Have anyone watch the news lately there is an outbreak in England with hand, foot & mouth disease from one lab spreading to the neighbouring farm animals. contagious virus and bacteria is dangerous and cannot be messed around with.

    According to developed countries health act/regulations, storing highly infected blood need to have a high and tight security area approved by government, with parameters stretching km away from highly human populated area, and must equipped with top class (1 to 3) mircrobiolgy lab (with class 10 or above cleanroom) that can even contain deadly live virus like Ebola, Nipah, Mad Cow disease, SARS etc

    but i think to avoid the issue of discriminating infected blood customer, the company should actually split the services to infected blood and healthy customer blood storage in totally 2 different places and lab and company ensure that lab is well equipped and well prepared to take on infected blood. preferrably with regulation from governing bodies and accreditation from body govern microbiological labs.

    So storing them in the same lab or low class lab may not be safe and just too risky for all. Not worth taking such chance.
    and its a no no when you know where the location of this company lab is. I wouldnt like to visit the place knowing that infected bloods are stored.

  • 68. Joe  |  August 13, 2007 at 1:12 pm

    If there is only one disgrunted lab staff making this claim, then i owuld be very suspicious about his motive but from what I can see, there are at least 2 lab staffs and a few marketing staffs making such claims about company X. One should raised serious questions about that company’s ethics. In fact if they are processing the blood and storing then with infected cases, then there is a potential chance that the government might want them to destroy the whole lot, infected and non-infected ones. Can you imagine all those cord blood has to be destroyed. What a waste.! Also, I would like to say that gynae should really not reccommed any particular company but they do have a moral duty to inform their patients if know any particular company is doing anything unethical.

  • 69. unknown  |  August 13, 2007 at 1:30 pm

    common la..trust ur gynae?do u know there r some gyneas out there who ask pathetic questions e.g. why take maternal blood for?u dun need to be a rocket scientist to know tat alrite..n its AABB requirement…gynae is not the rite person..some of them takes “commission” from StemLie…thats why they are bias towards SL…now ur talking bout blood..off course u should seek a stem cell scientist or a haematologist…u guys must be aware tat doctors are very niche…ur gynae is only an expert pertaining gynae issues…not blood…i cant believe how u layman can be so naive…
    oh..n tat Stemnotlie blog…tsk tsk tsk…in a way tat person is admitting tat StemLie is taking infected cord blood man!if expectant parents wanna make tat “choice” by all means la..but why spend such money..its better not to store ur stem cells that to store it with a co. then have both samples stored in one lab man…

  • 70. unknown  |  August 13, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    one more thing…we bunch of fired staff?pls..in tat case SL has been firing so many ppl…or else how come so many came here to testify of their SHITS!!pls use ur common sense/discretion when u come up with assumptions..we are just being nice to disclose these to u..its up to u if u wanna believe it or not..its really not a lost to u but to u instead…

  • 71. MN  |  August 13, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    Hey ppl do u know there is another tab “About Me” right at the top of this page. U guys can also comment there!!

  • 72. debbie  |  August 13, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    To ABCD. we are not fired. We resigned. Co. X is short of staffs, you think they’ll just fired 7 people (including senior staffs) in 3 months? THINK LA YOU!! This blog is started by someone I don’t know, and there are other people who are agreeing. I didn’t ask you to trust me completely, I am saying things that YOU YOURSELF can go check it out. Call Co. X up and ask them to clarify all this. Ask them for black & white. Ask them the proofs. If you wanna listen to their bullshits, why don’t you listen to our side as well. To be honest I am very pissed about this. If you think we’re just whining about getting fired and trying to sink this company, you’re wrong. My new company now treats me 100x better than Co. X, and we are more ethical. (p/s: I’m not in any stemcell co.) There is no point and no way the few of us can go against this co. X, but one thing for sure is, we are telling the truth and we are trying to warn people about things that the co. X does to earn money… unethically.

    By the way, someone in JB saw Co. X’s staffs throwing other co.’s brochure. Plus, the software that steals data. Plus, whatever the blog owner said. All these are from different people, different places and most definitely different background. ASK co. X if they have fired anyone from the lab. Or better yet, ASK the current staffs if they have fired any of us.

    So, the next time you come up with any of your assumptions, please go through it in your brain. Or, ask your 3 year old niece if that makes sense. A bunch of angry fired staffs… pfft.

  • 73. PinchOfSalt  |  August 13, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    How sure you that the bunch of people here are not from the competitors company saying bad things about Co X, so that the current company gets more sales? I think it is very unethical to base your decision on what is said here. Check the info yourself will be a better option. Take any info in the Internet with a pinch of salt.

  • 74. Joe  |  August 13, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    Software that steals data? Isn’t that industrial espionage. Sounds like something from James Bond movie. What sort of information get they get?

  • 75. littlelizard  |  August 14, 2007 at 12:26 am

    zzzz……….snore…………*drool*

    eh? what? stemcells? oh stem cells. yah. that’s right. we love stem cells. yay.

  • 76. unknown  |  August 14, 2007 at 2:05 am

    aiyo yo…joe…u also like ABCD ar?steel software to get the database of pregnant ladies n then call them one by one n sell their SHITS la…n pinch of salt..if u noticed,there are some ppl in here who is trying to promote other co.but we all here are very clear already..no solicitating for business!furtherrmore,we did not mention bout other co.

  • 77. stemlie  |  August 14, 2007 at 3:33 am

    I suspect ABCD is none other than Anabelle the cousin. It sounded like her, head full of air, the ultimate wannabe, eager to earn praises from cousin Susan, doesn’t mind doing all the dirty work and bark out loud with anything she can come up with.

    Truly best men’s best friend ! I can only smile, poor Anabelle, can’t you ever grow out of your cousin’s shadow, she is just making use of you all this while, she didn’t share any of her millions with you, did she ? of course not !

  • 78. unknown  |  August 14, 2007 at 3:50 am

    hmmm..”anabelle”,that wanna be fat ass..wont be surprise its her…

  • 79. sad mum  |  August 14, 2007 at 10:36 am

    Pinchofsalt. I am just a mother who happen to be informed about this website. Do you think that competitor can make up story with so much detail on the company ? Right now these people here are just doing all parents a big favour. They ask you all to do your own research. Did anyone here try to sell other company ? May be there are one or two here specifically mention other stem cell company. If you have surf the net reading the company X. You should know that only company X is ” saying bad thing about other competitor ” but we do not see other competitor did that to them. People can’t just plug out story from the air. ” Unethical ” is a key word we are using here. But I respect all these ex-staff who is against ” unethical” and stand out to testify the truth. Horray to you people. You people are ANGEL to me. 🙂

  • 80. KopiO  |  August 14, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    To PinchofSaly, if the company is doing the right thing why would there be so many negative comments about them? Why not pint point on other companies that are in the same business? I believe that there must be some facts that triggers this blog in the first place.

    And you think by doing so, the other companies will get more sales in the market? I think only truth, sincerity, ethical attitudes and follow through the proper procedures will boost the sales more than backstabbing the competitors.

    Saint, your rationale make sense to me and i do hope parents-to-be out there be wise on your decision. Is good to do a thorough survey before choosing a company to store your baby’s cord blood stem cells. A wrong decision will strongly affect the future of your baby’s stem cells as we only have one chance to collect the cord blood for each child.

    Good luck to your decision. I have made mine……

  • 81. antiStemlie  |  August 15, 2007 at 8:19 am

    thanks for the info
    I nearly store my baby cord blood with company X but luckily my husband not allow me to do so because he doesn’t like the two lady bosses .

  • 82. Debbie  |  August 15, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    anebelle who? never heard of her before. sorry.

    but who in the earth will defend a company without any relationship or obligation to do so? people who anti a company might do so, but someone to defend another people’s company? to defend a company that provides service to her? hello?? you’re paying them for their service, how come now u r servicing them?

    So, please. if u r a stemlie staff, just admit it. Admit it and defend your company. I admit that I am an ex staff of stemlie, no matter how embarrassing that is. And since you are so proud of your company, just come out and defend it. Don’t act like you’re a third party, acting innocent and rationale and god-like. By the way, don’t attack us (ex staffs), if what we said is not true, PROVE it. Don’t attack us by telling people that we are a bunch of so-called ANGRY staffs. Try defend yourself, if you think your arguments can win. We can argue / debate openly. Please, a bunch of ‘angry’ staffs will not do the trick. People are smarter than that.

    For all other readers, don’t just listen to our arguments, just go and find out the truth yourself. You may ask them if you want to. I am here just to let you know what they don’t tell you on the bus advertisement. Every company has their pro-s and cons. It is up to you which company you want to choose, either you really want a trusted, more ethical company to store your precious stemcells, or some company that is just merely famous and doing all the covering. YOUR CHOICE! And again, I am not an angry ex-staff, I left because the bosses are not doing what they claimed they want to do. One of the lady boss, the talking one, actually told us that we (the lab staffs) should process every stem cells sample like it is our own, that we should treat every sample like our own. And I am sorry to say, she is not treating every sample like its her own. It depends on which sample (VIP or VVIP), or where the samples come from (ie the hospitals). Why? They wanna impress the VIP and the hospitals. Why? So when they have impressed the hospital, the hospital can bring her more customers. I was very disappointed.

    Anyway, you judge for yourself. And to the very free-and-got-nothing-better-to-do-non-stemlie-related-person, stand up and defend.

  • 83. unknown  |  August 15, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    debbie…”anabelle” ar,the cousin of the lady boss who told u to treat every sample like your own…
    anyway,i agree with u..one of the reason im so pist off is because of double standards they are giving..those not so rich one they cant be bothered..but those VIP,brushing their shoes like mad…n u call urself a scientist?hello!?
    and to the docs out there who are recommending stemlie to their patients just because you are treated well or receiving “commission” from them…u gotta watch ur back carefully..now tat u knw tat stemlie is taking in infected samples tat may possibly contaminate other samples,ur accountable of every recommendation u make..if one day ur patient need to retrieve her baby’s stem cells and discovered tat its infected due to cross-contamination,ur patient can actually point back their finger to u because u were the one who recomended them to choose stemlie…

  • 84. Debbie  |  August 15, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    Ah.. she’s insignificant. Maybe this is the chance to prove her very existence. LOL.

  • 85. ritejudgement  |  August 15, 2007 at 6:44 pm

    I m a customer to be n waz told by relative stored wif co X abt diz blog. they r bit puzzld now like me. i didnt read all ur workz yet but my many Qz to the experienz ppl out there:

    1) Do we really nd to keep our baby stemcell?
    2) How to decide whic serviz to chooz? coz the 3 cos said they r specialzt, affordable pricin, strong finanz bkgrnd, have gd med doctor n hemotolgizt workg, iso cert, cleanroom, store 2 place instd of 1 etc, so whatz really gd?
    3) many celeb chooz coX, a HK star, a car racer, a malay singer…. why do they chooz them if they r not good?
    4) coX really offer v gd price to us, but why not other?
    4) we went to see 1 gynae doc n d nurse gve us only coX brosure, R they stil d most favor co?
    5) they r publ listd co n isnt meant they r strong/doin well in their serviz? (my relative bought share when stored wif them n made gd money when d price gone up)
    6) d coX won many tech award, isnt tat they r a gd co to win diz?
    7) whatz ‘CAP Lab Accreditation Prgram Cert. of Participatn’ mean? others dont have diz rite? compare wif AABB? ISO?
    9) Whatz PBSC purpoz n r they better? Why do they cos so much ~RM15k n baby blood ~RM1k less?
    10) whatz wrong wif hep B cordblood? can it be treatd wif antibiotic later as said if use? hve any hep B cordblood been used in treatmt b4?
    11) Is vial really not gd than bag storage?
    12) co X website has own blog n it share many gd newz in stemcell developmt/treatmt. so r they true?
    (others dont hve tat much news to tell n not even d blog.)
    14) D contract papers r v.long, r they protectin us customer rite?
    15) there r xtra insuranz pkg offerd, 1 by Grt Eastern, 1 by Berjaya, 1 dont hve, do we need tat n why?
    15) if we later chooz to store d blood wif other co., can we really change n transfer? N whatz d procdure? Had any1 done in d past beofre?

    Thx 4 help

  • 86. You want the thruth? You can't handle the thruth!  |  August 15, 2007 at 10:43 pm

    To Answer yy questions:
    1) Yes, if you can afford it
    2) Do yr own research. Cheap doesn’t mean good.
    3) Never believe in star! They are paid!!!! Marketing ploy.
    4) In medical treatment, cheap usually means cutting corners. Again do yr own research
    4) Nothing to do with quality of company, Microsoft is more successful than Apples but dosen’t mean that it si better. Doctors can be bought by companies.
    5) Public company? That has got nothing to do with how good and ethical they are.
    6)What tech awards? A lot are just bullshit. What is important is did they published their research in international medical journals?
    7) CAP?? There is no such accreditation. Read carefully, they only particpate in the conference. Pay the money and you can get it anytime. The only standard I trust is AABB, ISCT and ISO.
    9) PBSC is overhyped. It is very controversial. The risk is more and the reason it cost more is because of the drugs needed to mobilise the stem cell. You need 3 injections all together. For all those customers who receive only 1 injection, you have been conned!
    10) Hep B? I wouldn’t good anywhere near it. 1000X more infective than HIV virus and no cure for it. You get infected with a tiny single pin prick.
    11) No evidence which is better. Both are acceptable mode of storage.
    12) A lot of it is on-going research freely avaible on internet. There is a lot of interest on cord blood stem cell on tissue regeneration and curing many diseases. It doesn’t mean that they are available now.
    14) No they are protecting the company more than individual customer. It basically says don’t sue us as we don’t give 100% promise. But that is fine, so is a lot of medical and surgical treatments offered by doctors.
    15) having insurance is an extra benefit as it costs a lot for the treatment itself.
    15) Don’t know! But I am sure that company will try everything to prevent you from doing that. May alsi affect the cells survival.
    BTW, YOU CAN”T COUNT!!!!!

  • 87. littlelizard  |  August 16, 2007 at 12:49 am

    i’m beginning to be able to single out which comments come from comp.SL, and which from comp.C.

    SL is a nice initial…very mercedes don’t u think?
    which mercedes u prefer? SL class or C class?

    i love the E class. 😀

  • 88. unknown  |  August 16, 2007 at 2:26 am

    pls justify every single made here.unline the other blog,keep on beating around the bunch and cant seem to justify bout their storage with hep cases or why they dun take maternal blood etc.the other blog its just a blog whereby a bunch of stemlie staff is trying justify WITHOUT facts which is RUBBISH
    .and consumers,pls do ur homework…
    if u wanna store with stemlie,i tell u better not store at all!
    about the other 2 co. C….well..no comments…u go find out urself..

  • 89. niteowl  |  August 16, 2007 at 7:59 am

    I’m not exCoX staff, but i’m ex Co-C staff. I left Co C not ‘cos anything wrong, but ‘;cos job nature is such that I get burn out after som time.Pls unnerstand, i.m not here to say good about my former co, but to help manhy unnerstand the truth. For long time, I have known of co-x bullshit and wrongdoing and conning public. Even after i left the stem cell field, i still keep in contact with the happenings, and am rather glad that the truth is finally coming out on co-x. Many of us knew what was going on, but when we try to tell people, it seems co-x staff are vey good in using lies to hide truth.

    To ritejudgement: This is the truth:

    1) Yes, if you can afford it and if you believe in future tech
    2) As said by the other blogger, do your research. Look for international accreditation ISO, AABB, AATB, FACT etc. CAP is just participation as told already. Co-X like to use all this to con many people.
    3) Celeb will do anything if paid. Of course it hepls when stars endorse. But just ‘cos they do, dont mean good
    4) Cheap is never good n good nevr comes cheap!. How can buy mercedes for kancil price???
    4) many docs buy shares n r paid by co
    5) Seen their shares over the last week – drop RM1.50 and still going down. No strong fundamentals thats why. Public listed only to make money – don’t mean good co.
    6) Tech awards – my #***2^xx!!!
    7)As i said in (2) above – AABB FACT ISOetc. I know one co publish in intl journal – ask the other 2 co.
    9) Agree with ‘You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!’ If you store PBSC ad only get 1 jab,i oity you. PBSC not for heart disease – wrong stem cell to use
    10) Hep B OK?? – whats wrong with you. Its extremely contagious and will kill you!!
    11) its not how u store, its how u process
    12) Stem cell treatment is very promising, but a lot odf it is still research
    14) Agree with “You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!’
    15) Good to have insurance in case u need as very expensive.
    15) Any co will do the best not to lose cust. Just depends on how far they will go

    BTW, YOu DEFINITELY CANNOT COUNT!!

  • 90. style  |  August 16, 2007 at 10:38 am

    I would like 2 suggest tht d author of this blog translates her comments into Chinese 4 d benefit of our Chinese speaking mothers. Let’s do some damage control here b4 Co X going rd cheating ppl again…Tx.

  • 91. saint  |  August 16, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    my my my, more crossfire here.

    there are groups that support coX, there groups that against coX, there are groups that are real customers, there are groups that are pretending customers, there are people who seriously show concern over the hype of stem cells and the promises, there are people who speaks the truth and there are people who try to sabotage and confuse readers.

    i made my stand clear, you will not judge the matter just by its surface. Do more research, reading, hearing, seeing first and you must judge only when you have done enough homework, questions, analyse and get deep down into the issues before convince yourself if that this is true or not.

    my advise to all is to think and work like a good scientist, doctor, lawyer, accountant and engineer, think logically and investigate then only the truth will prevail.

  • 92. niteowl  |  August 17, 2007 at 6:00 am

    My my ritejudgement, aren’t you defensive. As I said I have left the stem cell line, abn thats that. Whether you believe or not, I couldnt care less. If you really want the truth, the truth is out there. Do your homework. Check the facts. Frankly, im not bothered whether you believe anyone. If you still want 2 store with co, x, be my guest. Condemn yourself and your child to their insane practice. As for counting, repeat after me 1,2,3,4,5,6……

  • 93. littlelizard  |  August 17, 2007 at 7:42 am

    7,8,9,10…. am i doing fine? laalalala….

    wassup niteowl!! 😉 congratulations on finding greener pastures!

  • 94. TakBolehTahan  |  August 17, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    hi..ritejudgement…..
    u seem like not jz the “customer”…u more like the owner of comX……haha
    im kesian to “toniteowl” and “u want the truth”…
    ppl out there tried their best to share the info with u….y u so angry with the answer?u dun agree it?y?coz u know the real answer?coz the answers r the truth?……..haha……..u were the one who asking the questions….please if u r not appreciate with the info …..pls do ur own reseach and homework…..dont ask anynore…….

  • 95. unknown  |  August 17, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    can co. X’s staff and co.C’s staff buzz off from here…this blog is not for your cat fights..its for ppl to know what co. X is doing behind the scene…very soon u will find all the bus ads taken down and billboard ads taken down…apparently the ministry is already doing something..the truth will prevail soon..

  • 96. niteowl  |  August 18, 2007 at 3:20 am

    hey littlelizard, to answer your question,,, enjoying my life kinda,,,still miss the action in former line though – who knows, may go back one day. Abyway, glad 2 know people still care for the truth. Got tired previously trying to tell people what was really happening with this unscrupulous co, as they were very good in covering up all thier lies. As far as I know, they had stored more than 500++ Hep B blood samples. And in case you still think they store these contaminated one in separate tank as some ppl still try to claim, well each storage tank costs about 100K and can hold almost 3K to 5K samples. Do u think they actually spend 100K to separate samples? Come on, get real. To store Hep B blood means you need to still process this blood, and procesing of the Hep B virus blood takes place in the same lab as all other blood. Very high risk of cross contamination!!

    BTW “unknown” As ex staff, I have as much right to be here. After all, you DO want the truth, don’t you???

  • 97. niteowl  |  August 18, 2007 at 3:23 am

    Oh yeah littlelizard, ypur counting is fine, glad 2 know others can also count – not like some ppl. Ritejudgement, after 10 comes 11,12,13,14,…Can u count that high??

  • 98. AABB  |  August 18, 2007 at 3:40 am

    http://www.cordbloodfacts.com/Cord-Blood-Bank-Guidelines.asp

  • 99. Curious  |  August 18, 2007 at 3:51 am

    If CoX doesn’t do maternal blood testing as mentioned, how you know that they are storing Hep B cells? Just curious.

  • 100. cleanroom  |  August 18, 2007 at 4:07 am

    The standard of cleanliness achieved in any clean room depends on a number of factors that include.

    – The structural quality of the clean area and, in particular, of internal wall, floor and ceiling finishes.

    – The efficiency of the air filtration plant and equipment.

    – The control of access/egress to the area and personnel dressing disciplines.

    – The extent to which furnishings, fittings, equipment and materials stored within the area contaminate the environment or interfere with air flow.

    – The extent to which people and materials move within the area.

  • 102. mydaughter  |  August 18, 2007 at 11:04 am

    beware of people who write, think and speak like the company X staff.

    i think i can read the minds of those who are former company X staff and those who are not.

    in the stemnotlie blog, people with these names are representing company X: Anonymous, Stemnotlie, Kimme, earlgreytea, lyla Madevven or Lyla, Random (Ramdompasserby), Mrs Lee, Alister.

    The rest are either ex-company X staff or other co representative, customer or people who are bored and busy body.

  • 103. stemlie  |  August 20, 2007 at 1:48 am

    This blog is not mean for bored employees to kill time, it is meant for people who care and want to share the truth. For all thsoe who are not parents, you wouldn’t understand the concerns we have for our babies and their well being. I can only hope you appreciate and think about being a parent one day.

    No long posting please, just post a link to external pages.

  • 104. miserable  |  August 20, 2007 at 1:54 am

    Co. X got raided by MoH !
    I am a current Co. X sales personnel (with miserable pay). Last friday when we are having our promotional booth at the Parenthood Exhibition in MidValley, the MoH enforcement dept came to raid us. They have been warning us not to make claims that we can treat diseases like diabetes etc without getting approval from MoH, but our lady-bosses ignored them.

    They came and confiscated all our brochures. They now want us to take down our Federal Highway billboard an also all the adverts on buses. Apparently we have been warned many times, and it will not be tolerated anymore by MoH.

    Other competitors didn’t claim about ability to treat diseases, so they were not affected. This is again another bullshit from Co. X, now the bosses get it !

  • 105. MN  |  August 20, 2007 at 1:54 am

    To Curious, there is no way you can determine if the sample is contaminated or not. This also means that highly contagious and life threatening diseases such as HIV, Hep B, Hep C and others like HTLV virus (only known virus to cause Leukemia) are also ignored. Hence maternal blood sample is absolutely necessay in both AABB and FACT accreditation. If any of these diseases is found the sample is rejected.

  • 106. littlelizard  |  August 20, 2007 at 2:27 am

    malunya…u deleted my post!!!
    har har! got raided by moh.. how exciting. wish i had been there. the stricken looks on the employees’ faces must have been priceless.
    anyone took any good pics???

  • 107. Curious  |  August 20, 2007 at 4:59 am

    MN: You didn’t answer my question. The blog here claim that CoX didn’t do any maternal blood testing and at the same time claiming that CoX store Hep cells. Now how in the world do they know CoX is storing Hep cells if no blood test is done.

    One of the commentors niteowl here said CoX is storing 500++ Hep B blood samples. *scratch head*

  • 108. littlelizard  |  August 20, 2007 at 5:50 am

    come on niteowl! give her a smashing answer! i know u can do it! Don’t scratch ur head “Curious”. If itchy, use Selsun Blue shampoo, it’s the best anti-dandruff in the market!
    but yes, good question on the hep b samples. How did u find out about that niteowl?

  • 109. Sincere Heart  |  August 20, 2007 at 8:14 am

    Curious: I’m the customer of CoX and I called the sales staff about storing the HEP cell matter. She admitted.

  • 110. mumtobe  |  August 20, 2007 at 9:00 am

    miserable, is it true??? coz i have been to the fair last saturday and talk to the sales personnel..it seem nothing happen…and i got this web add. from the others s.personnel…..i have no idea which co to choose now for storing my baby stemcell..please help

  • 111. concerned  |  August 20, 2007 at 9:38 am

    If not mistaken, SL used to do maternal blood test 2-3 years back, just not now anymore. So if the x-staff left SL in those years which SL did carry out the blood(y) test then they would know??!

  • 112. snowy  |  August 20, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    Im 3 mths pregnant and im seeking for a suitable company to store my baby’s cord blood.

    Frankly speaking im do not have good impress with Co.X rep in my area here.One day when i went for my check up i met the rep and 2 men-one is young,short wearing spec and the other is older with white hair.

    The rep are promoting their service while the 2 men are waiting to see the gynae.I notice the short men take a magazine to cover up competitor brochures which i think is totally unethical.

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  • 115. Private  |  August 21, 2007 at 1:58 am

    I heard from my best friend ( ex-staff ) from SL, few years back, the lab send out a baby’s cord blood report but mistake on the baby’s blood type. SL can’t explain on this mistake and the parents was so angry and they believe SL might mis-record or exchange their baby’s cord blood with others people. After this matter, no more baby’s blood type will be printed in the report. For SL existing client, please take out your baby’s cord blood report and check whether is this true or not. If it can happen once…… it can happen again..!!! God blessed to you’ll. No kidding !!!

  • 116. littlelizard  |  August 21, 2007 at 2:54 am

    littlelizard has officially died from a stem cell overdose. littlelizard shall be reborn with a new name. we await the resurrection….dum dee dumm…..

  • 117. niteowl  |  August 21, 2007 at 7:53 am

    To answer ‘Curious’ on how I know they store more trhan 500 plus Hep B cases…well as I said, i used to work in the same line. Whenever we rejected clients with Hep B, these ppl would go to CO X. Afew of them actually call us back and told us off for not allowing them to store with my ex-co then, claiming they were told by CoX about the number of Hep B cases store by them. Of course, pls bear in mind that I left this line some time back, so the nos could be even more by now! Hope this would ease your itchy head. Or better still, use littlelizards solution. BTW, littlelizard, as a token of my respect on your ‘death’, all hail the lizard. May you come back a BIG**** lizard!!

  • 118. niteowl  |  August 21, 2007 at 7:58 am

    I just remembered an incident that happen with one doc in the past. This medical idiot actually defend CoX decision to store Hep B blood, as he believes that it is still ok . Later on i found out he was being paid by CoX and was given preference shares when they were listed.Talk about professionalism!I have come to only one conclusion – mnay docs just dont care or arent even knowledgeable about stem cells.

  • 119. curious  |  August 21, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    Funny, you mean to tell me that 500 customers come back to tell the other company that CoX accepted their cells. If I am the customer, do I care or even go back to the rejected company to make a fuss? I won’t bother. 500?? sure?

    Sincere Heart: If CoX told you that they accepted Hep cell, so why is CoX accuse of lying? Won’t that be a honest remark?

  • 120. Daphne  |  August 21, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    curious, stemlife’s literature stated what that they do accept Hep B and Hep C cord blood. Before cord blood is moved into permanent tanks test will be done on the Cord Blood itself. Pls dont get it mix up wit maternal blood.
    stemlife claims to store Hep Samples in a different storage tanks. only god knows la whether they do tat.

  • 121. Gossip  |  August 21, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    miserable, as you said the MOH enforcement dept came to raid you’ll but your lady-bosses ignored them.

    Do it means that your lady-bosses are more powerful than Dato’ Chua? I read some articles from Dato’ Chua mentioned on the Cord Blood Banking. I think MOH start doing something on that.

    Anyway, I don’t think MOH can do much thing on that because government sector and private sector are difference. And, I really respect your two lady-bosses, they are brave on their believe.

  • 122. daphne  |  August 21, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    gossip: of course MOH can step in. Do u see medical hospitals advertising at back of buses and in billboards?MOH is upset with it and taking Acts seriously. They can be summon based on breaching of Government Act. And it applies to all companies no matter government or private.
    im very upset tat ALL cord blood banks in Msia are just bunch of businessmen looking for $$. U think they really care bout ppl’s stem cells?

  • 123. mydaughter  |  August 21, 2007 at 7:01 pm

    it seems that i cant access to co x website lately. whats going on? were they really got warned and MOH took enforcement on them?…………

  • 124. Gossip  |  August 21, 2007 at 10:43 pm

    Daphne, I think you are right. ALL the Crd lood Bank in Malaysia are just looking for $$$. Today, there are 4 companies in the market. Killing themcelves and start all those rubbish plan. Ask their clients to pay extra money for the insurance to cover the cord blood and transplant. Extra insurance to cover this Bio-insurance. Damn stupid. I believed SL is the one who started it and others companies follow. The problem is, their clients believe on it. I also suspect are they ( those clients ) really understand the meaning of the cord blood collection??

  • 125. Nor Azlina  |  August 21, 2007 at 10:56 pm

    I read the SL malay FAQ yesterday, at the page 24, the Operation Derector mentioned that so many diseases like diabetes, parkinson, heart problem etc can be treat. Is that true? I plan to store my baby’s cord blood !! What should I do now……!!

  • 126. Private  |  August 21, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    I think the hit for this Blog is no big enough, only 8000 hits only. Let us help them to spread this Blog. For SL ex-staffs, do you’ll have the the SL existing clients database, forward this link to them and we will know the true faster…….

  • 127. genius mum  |  August 22, 2007 at 1:28 am

    wow..
    so,for the mother out there..
    plz do your best yeah!!!!
    as what i said before..

  • 128. Easyway  |  August 22, 2007 at 1:31 am

    I believed SL is desperate for the sales. My baby’s cord blood only had 130millions stem cells ( minimum 200millions stem cells) to store. SL offer me 40% off on the package. The sales rep keep pushing me to continue storage. Crazy company and unethical sales rep. Just looking for the money and comission and never consider the need of the client. When they gave me the couselling, everything looks perfect and professional, then, money face came out….!! Finally, I want my money back and no more business with this company again.

  • 129. genius mum  |  August 22, 2007 at 3:34 am

    Huh…
    Lucky I didnt choose SL..
    Thanx God..

  • 130. Daphne  |  August 22, 2007 at 3:37 am

    honestly speaking…if u store ur baby’s cord blood in Msia = throwing ur money into the sea

  • 131. spawn of littlelizard. i am BIG LIZARD.  |  August 22, 2007 at 3:45 am

    Throw money into the sea…then Nemo the super clown fish finds it…then Nemo can go do some shopping.
    unless the sharks eat nemo first.
    then nemo’s relatives have to use the money to buy coffin for nemo.
    but fish don’t need coffins…
    eh?
    oh sorry. i’ve lost the plot..

  • 132. genius mum  |  August 22, 2007 at 3:47 am

    Hi Daphne..
    Plz dont confuse them..
    this thing is not an INSURANCE..
    This is BIO-INSURANCE..
    I think storing your baby stem cells is the best plan for your future also..
    not only for your baby..
    Plz think about it again..!!!
    Dont simply2 tell if u dont know the benefit…
    For NorAzlina,I suggest you go for your reseach first..

  • 133. MAma CAre  |  August 22, 2007 at 4:08 am

    Sorry Interrupt..I am a new blogger in this blog..
    I knew about this blog from my friend..
    And I just want to CLARIFY with the other blogger,Which is the best compny should I store my baby stem cells?????
    Because I heard there have 3 company doing this thing!
    But,can anyone help me?
    I’m going to deliver 2 weeks time from now.
    Help me please!

  • 134. MN  |  August 22, 2007 at 4:52 am

    Mama care this blog is not abt recommending any Co but if u go tru the blog u should know who to exclude. The other 2 Co has their own advantages. U should make appointment to see them both like what I had done. I have evaluated on technical, expertise, ethics, honesty, service and value (not price). I hope this help.

  • 135. Que  |  August 22, 2007 at 5:22 am

    Went to the fair on Sat. Thought I’d share my experience here. IMHO, Company CC gave the best professional advice, the MD was there explaining in detail any questions the visitors asked. The staff was also concerned that visitors understand their company rather than the packages offered. I saw that they encourage the visitors to read their brochures/etc available there. Company CC is the only 1 with a cleanroom class 100 & ISO certified. They transports within 24 hours after collection from delivery room.
    (I also heard they are working with a giant US company to further improve their services and technology). They offer vials and bag but never “condemn” either one, they just explain the benefits.

    Whilst company X during the fair, their staff straight away pointed out their packages and rates but not the company’s strength. (after u tell them u know what stem cells is all about), I was confused and didn’t leave a very good impression. Of coz,they also tell u that vials are outdated but i don’t think so coz the international bodies never state vials are outdated. If they believe in their principles..then why offer vials too? (If i’m not mistaken h i think the vials looks different between each company..)

    Another company CS, not too bad, but i feel that they’re in between. Their strength was having a medical doctor to lead the company. But how active / involved is this doctor nobody knows. Sometimes they are marketing/publicity strategies. Their cleanroom is class 1000 which is like normal operation room standards I was told. They gave more discounts but their annual insurance premium cost more therefore the coverage shown was higher.

    Any mom to be has not decided, all the best in making the choice. To parents that have decided, pl. don’t feel regretful. It would only wear you down. Don’t we hope that our babies would stay healthy always and never need the stems at all in their life …
    If tomorrow another new company starts operation and claim they’re the best of all.. then should we start panicking & regret cos we’ve strored with the “wrong” company !!?

    -o-

  • 136. Daphne  |  August 22, 2007 at 5:59 am

    hi genius mom,
    honestly speaking…im actually working for one of these co. in Msia. after knowing and seeing all the SHITS,i dun even wanna store my bb’s stem cells with my co.!
    every co. has its secrets…too bad someone came out with this blog to attack SL.i know secrets about my co. also…but off course im not suppose to disclose it…
    knowing all these RUBBISH with all these non-governed cord blood bank. i understand now why Ministry of Health is not making good comments bout these co.

  • 137. Daphne  |  August 22, 2007 at 6:00 am

    yes,stem cells if good.i dont deny that, but the way these co. are operating is the whole issue…do really think they care bout ur stem cells?

  • 138. Mina  |  August 22, 2007 at 8:10 am

    I have delivered my baby last two weeks. When I admitted to private hospital for normal delivery, one of the sales person from SL approach my husband and I to keep my baby’s cord blood. We told her that we do not believe on this bio-insurance but she keep approaching us. she followed us from the clinic to the room and keep approaching. My husband was so angry and both of us very uncomfortable. then, we complained to the management and hope that the management will look into this matter. The Hospital shouldn’t allow any of these cord blood company doing the same thing again. It’s really ridiculous and too unethical. Does any one having the same problem like me before……????

  • 139. Daphne  |  August 22, 2007 at 9:35 am

    didnt u read the utusan article recently about this?the government is getting upset as well coz cord blood sales person always pressure pregnant ladies in the labour room.
    its because of $$$.

  • 140. niteowl  |  August 22, 2007 at 10:11 am

    Curious, you seem really daft. I said a FEW customers told my former co (some in anger and some out of spite) that CoX allowed them to store their hep B blood and did mention that this co already store 500++ cases (tese ppl were trying to point out our mistake in not allowing them to store with us). Is that simple enough for you to understand?

    For Daphne and Gossip, as a former employee of one of the cos in this industry, I can understand why they offer transplant insurance. Many, many ppl have asked whether there is insurance if they need to use stem cell for treatment, so I guess it was only a matter of time before these cos came up with insurance. And Daphne, if you are condemning these cos, why are you still there???You say string the stem cell is the same as throwing money into sea – you seem to have no principles/integrity. You continue to work 4 them but still condemn them???Perhaps trhe co you work for is as bad as SL?? And spawn of littlelizard – BID LIZARD- if you are indeed the reincarnation of my old friend, welcome back!!

  • 141. curious  |  August 22, 2007 at 10:49 am

    niteowl: I am just verifying your data. I believe alot of folks here are adding salt and pepper. I don’t believe a customer will know that CoX are storing 500++ cases. And I don’t think CoX will tell the customer the numbers either. Unless it is from CoX staff or ex-staff.

    I am not siding any company, as some of you mention, all company have issues, just not expose to the public. It is also unethical for some ppl working in any company to let out their company info. You can be sue if you are in US. If you have the facts or proof, file a complaint with the govt or CAP. Last question, how sure are you that the other 2 or 3 company will not follow the same process when they grow BIG? No one knows. It may look good now but no one will know the future.

  • 142. niteowl  |  August 22, 2007 at 12:26 pm

    Curious, I,m just telling you the facts . Obviously, these ppl were told by the co-x staff/ex-staff. As for whether any of the other 2/3 company will also not follow the proper processes when they grow big, well only time will tell. For now, we all just need to do our own research and make our own choices. Nor Azlina, check out the other companies.

  • 143. unknown  |  August 22, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    wow..me gone for just 3 days n the blog like so panjang already.
    i left cord blood banking industry and went to infant formula industry now.
    chinaman co. compared to MNC really vast different. chinaman co. will justify every single thing bout themselves without solid proof. All mere bullshits.
    MNC co. has proper facts to back them up,hence they gain trust in multi-nation.
    as for the cord blood bank in msia. all owned by chinaman. hoping one day renowned cord blood banks with proper accreditation will come in an swipe all those losers!

  • 144. Gossip  |  August 22, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    I strongly believe that all cord blood company are the same. May be today they claims that they are good and professional. But, who can promise in the future. What niteowl said is correct, we all just need to do our own research and make our own choices. Try to make ourselves more clear on the picture and not keep pointing on SL. The people who has the right to query on SL is only their existing clients, because they really need to find out the true and answer.

  • 145. naomi  |  August 22, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    i totally agree with u Gossip.there is assurance that one day other cord blood bank will not do something that is to some individual “not right”….its js bad luck for SL that ppl are pointing to them.
    i wont be surprise if one day there will be another blog about Co.Y or Co. Z. in this world, no one can please anyone. im sure there will be a bunch of angry ex-employees from Co. Y and Z in future.
    i know u ex staffs are concern bout the rights of customers.im sure the customers appreciate all your information.
    but to u consumers, its still ur choice at the end of the day..

  • 146. spawn of littlelizard the 2nd.  |  August 22, 2007 at 2:27 pm

    the lizard’s comments were deleted…yet again…clearly the administrator of this page has a thing against lizards..

    store if u want, don’t store if u think it’s a waste of money. Besides, the annual storage fee is peanuts in this country so what’s the big deal.

    Please don’t delete this comment……and i promise i won’t ever post no dumb comments ever again… 😀

    …and so ends the saga of the littlelizard….

  • 147. spawn of littlelizard the 2nd.  |  August 22, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    oh wait… u didin’t delete my comments oopss.!!
    i read wrong. sorry ya.. too many comments. i take back my previous accusations. please don’t delete me noo nooooo!!! please!!!! mercy i beg you mercy!

    lizard kena lastik and falls into an aquarium of starving koi…

    -the end-

  • 148. Doctor  |  August 22, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    WOW !!! This blog is getting more and more interesting….!!! Not only SL involve, sooner or later, cc, csi and one more call tmc will join in also !! Heard that another company from Singapore might coming into the market by end of this year.
    And, for the expecting parents, if you can read mandarin, search the stem cell info at taiwan website. They will tell you how to choose the company and should you store your baby’s cord blood or not…..!!!

  • 149. Azizah  |  August 22, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    Mina, I got the same experience like you. I delivered my second baby at Kuantan private hospital last month. I do not know whether she is from SL or not because we ignore her and close the door when she follow us to the room. Main reason, budget problem……!!!!

  • 150. naomi  |  August 22, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    ur right…consumers,use ur discretion to decide. competitors stop promoting this blog. it will js bring u lower.
    should u want to store with co. X or not its ur decision. i dont see banks’s ex staff setting up such blogs..no matter how unhappy u are with the co.,yes u have the rights to point it out..
    but decision is still up to the customers.
    and competitors,wickdness will only eat u up eventually. dont play dirty…and this includes u as well co. X.
    the cake is so huge.there are so many pregnant ladies out there.dont fight for customers like a bunch of childish brats..

  • 151. unknown  |  August 22, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    a bunch of childish brats?hahhahaha..a good way to describe these cord blood banks..wow, 2 more coming up soon.good or bad?only time can tell.
    but come on,..like wat naomi said,so many banks out there yet they still survive without bringing each other down ma..

  • 152. unknown  |  August 22, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    infant formula industry still much better..hehehehhehe

  • 153. confusing  |  August 22, 2007 at 2:55 pm

    How come u mothers so defensive! eventhou CC or CSI pass u this website doesnt mean they play dirty. they just try to warn u rathe than u regreted in future. well, if u dont appreciate them. do store wt co. x!! IS UR CHOICE!! U can choose not to believe this website too!!

    if they dont tell u this blog, will u know so much thing?? think yourself!!!!! ppl try to help u, then u mothers said they attack the co. X

    and for the co.X, if they say this website is done by competitor and want to sue them. pls go ahead!!! this also means that they admitted that CO. X is their company.. and all the 10 reasons here is true la.. else, y they are so over reacted?? u mothers pls think la. i really cannot tahan LA.

  • 154. confusing  |  August 22, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    to all mothers…. IS UR CHOICE whether u want to store ur baby cord blood!! take ur OWN responsible to find out if u want to store or not.. rather than just LAYING BLAME to the 3 companies that they mislead u in storing.

    if u think that cord blood stemcells technology is not that promising, then DONT store!! NO ONE can force u to do things that u DONT LIKE.

    PLEASE take u OWN responsiblity to do more research on stemcells tech.and NOT to lay blame to any companies. PLS…

  • 155. brocolli  |  August 23, 2007 at 1:54 am

    confusing,yes i totally agree its the consumers choice.
    just imagine one day someone talk about u falsely miss confusing. will u over react just like how SL is reacting now?or if really tat claim is correct,wont u as a human defend urself as well?its human nature.the defence mechanism. btw,how old r u miss confusing?
    im sure ur mature enough to understand humans by now.so dun get uptight so much bout this blog.
    and dun worry,if SL wanna take legal action on false claims here,im sure they will do something.
    just relax miss confusing…

  • 156. Curious  |  August 23, 2007 at 3:11 am

    Yeap, don’t get upset here. It is only a blog, whether there is truth or lies.

    Just want all the mothers to know that you need to take information with a pinch of salt. Never just hear what ppl say. Find out. There are so many doctors out there, you can asked them for opinion. Of coz not asking them which Co to store stem cells. But asking them detailed questions like example what is the pro and cons with vials or storage bag.

    By the way, there is also Google you can use to seek all these info. End of the day, check out the info you received.

    I believe many just take in information and start to make judgement and spread half truth to the info.

  • 157. niteowl  |  August 23, 2007 at 3:50 am

    Good advice Curious. But allow me to correct you, PLS DO NOT CHECK WITH ANY DOCTORS ESP OB-GYN as they are very ignorant of stem cell and their uses. In fact, most docs do not know much about stem cells. If you really want to know about stem cells, speak to ppl like hematologists etc. During my time in this line, I came across so many ignorant docs that I have lost any respect 4 these so-called professionals. And by the way, they wouldn’t know a damn thing about vials versus bags storage. finally it doesn’t matter how you store them (vials or bags)…what matters is how u process them (standards, protocol, ethics, cleanroom etc)

  • 158. Private  |  August 23, 2007 at 7:36 am

    What niteowl said is correct. We can’t check with those O & G specialist. Is not their field. But, niteowl, you can’t call them ignorant docs or so-called professionals. This is not fair to them. Their own field are specialise in O & G. Ok!

  • 159. niteowl  |  August 23, 2007 at 9:39 am

    Private, so they are good in thier field. In other words they are buffoons in all other aspects. I.m not saying they should be experts in stem cells, but shouldn’t they at least know something about stem cells or any other latest advances in the filed of medicine?? Instead, they aren’t bothered to learn anything new. But we digress here. our topic is not ignorant twits who call themselves doctors, but unscrupulous cos providing stem cell services. And the biuiggest scoundrel of the lot is CO X!!

  • 160. mumtobe  |  August 23, 2007 at 10:04 am

    my doc told me that there is no proof that stem cell can actually safe a life…izzit true? izzit really worth to invest?.. please lead

  • 161. style  |  August 23, 2007 at 11:59 am

    mumtobe, cord blood stem cells have already saved thousand of lives including a few that were performed locally in M’sia. But such successful treatment are only blood related diseases such leukemia, thalassemia major and other rare but deadly blood diseases. Beyond these, all are still R&D. If any Co. says it can treat u for diabetic foot ulcer, heart failure, kidney or liver failure, sports injuries using PBSC then U should cross checks with other respective specialists. Lately it seems that even Co.X web site is being shut, advert in buses and billboards being removed for precisely this reason – OVER CLAIM !!

  • 162. bryan  |  August 23, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    thanks for the infos. we didn’t store any of the stem cell for our first baby, cos that we didn’t have enough money to do so. but, we donate it. we hope that it could save others by all the experiement or research that doctors can do in the labs to do to helps others in the future. really thanks for the infos.

  • 163. Gossip  |  August 23, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    Bryan, where did you delivered your first baby? Malaysia? I though we do not have any public cord blood bank in Malaysia right now. Few years back,heard that there is a National Cord Blood bank officially open by Tun Mahathir’s wife, Dr. Siti. Then, running out of budget and close down. Just try to find out more info from you. Thanks.

  • 164. mydaughter  |  August 23, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    sure there is a national cord blood bank and it lies within the national blood bank. they are there and they do offer public cordblood collection. you can check it out.

    but they only choose cord bloods from government hospitals, particularly hospital KL (GH), UH and few others.

    collection is done by consent of parents earlier before baby delivery. however, not all will be stored as it depends on the time, quality of the cordblood. heard many were discarded due to time and manpower constraint. so only some lucky samples were stored. and they did have budget constraint.

    it was officiated by Dato Chua Jui Ming in 1998, even earlier than the national cordblood bank in Spore. but as usual, Spore being kiasu, they claim they are the first in south east asia while theirs were set up some time in 2003 or 04 (if not mistaken).

  • 165. brocolli  |  August 23, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    no doubt cord blood stem cells are proven to be beneficial. but it depends on whose hands they are in…
    why did u think our current Minister of Health made such sceptical statements bout the private cord blood bank in Msia?
    if what he said is not true,then why the private cord blood makes did not make him make a public appology?

  • 166. earlyworm  |  August 24, 2007 at 1:39 am

    Brocolli, you gotta be joking. A minister apologise?? That;s admiting that he has no idea what he is talking about. I read his statement that cord blood is of no use. Then why is the national cord blood bank existing? I agree he is a qualified doctor. But bear in mind that he has not practised medicine for ages and is now an expert in politics. Most of what he said is rubbish and many of us know that. I am no scientist but have done enough reserach into this filed to know the advantages of storing cord blood stem cells, unlike our deluded and misguided minister. Those of us in the know understand his reasons for his outburst…publicity. All politicians exisit for publicity; the more the bettter. Ever since he opened his mouth in May, he has not kept quiet. Read the press. All this is a prelude for his survival this coming elections. I have stored my baby’s stem cells with the other Co C, and in fact asked them why they did not refute his claims. I was told they had tried to arrange for a meeting, but he wasn’t available. Come on, we all know that many of our elected reps shoot their mouth off without proper evidence and our official in question has certainly joined the ranks. Wake up, do not believe everything you are told…whether by cord blood cos or MOH!

  • 167. Dave  |  August 24, 2007 at 6:17 am

    Took me 2 hrs to run though the whole thing. What I am going to rant about below are random thoughts without any proper sequence. But you’ll get the idea.

    Prior to this, I’ve been doing research on this industry for months – due to my gf being in the industry. I love to find out more.

    The technology is true however there is limitation. Current technology can only fix at certain ratio. Meaning so much stemcell can fix a human that weights so much. I don’t remember the facts but I think it’s around 20kgs ~ 40 kgs. (Children to very light adult).
    The technology to grow stemcell is true also but if you are can afford the technology, why bother? You’re rich enough already. (it’s super expensive. Go find out the pricetag)

    Current technology has been known to be able to treat ~ 80++ diseases. It doesn’t mean it’s been done here in malaysia under the current Malaysian technical know how and the current affordable cost. It just mean that somewhere in the world, it’s been done before. LEARN TO READ arbitrary words.

    There are public bank, and private bank.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_blood_bank
    Due to the health level, financial background and health risk, Italy and France has made it illegal for private cord blood banking. (DO NOT TRUST STATISTIC without any prove from where it came from and how it come from because 97.99% are crap numbers taken out from the air – yes, even the 9799 above).
    Medical group support public bank because it’s utilitarian. More good comes out of it. Private bank is mainly for profit.

    Speaking of this, since Malaysia do not have healthy drinking water, lots of company thrive on this. Imagine if our drinking water level is excellent? Even so, maybe it’s our society mindset that has brainwashed us. Who said that by drinking our current tap water is bad for health? It’s just society pressure. Mommy and daddy say u gotta boil water first. I have yet to hear anyone dying from drinking it. Your body will adapt to it and evolve.

    Same as cord blood. If our government provide public banking, then there probably won’t be private banking. So 3 companies popped up in this industry. ALL have some success with actual transplantation and that’s great. Don’t forget. ALL are here for BUSINESS. Monetary is still the ultimate factor. One is public listed, others will surely follow if they can. Sales staff are given monthly quotas to hit. It’s part and parcel in life. Are we such a saint to deny it? If so, please offer all the current sales staff a matching salary and commission. I’m sure they are more than happy to jump ship.
    Therefore, we cannot place the entire blame on the company. I too will hunt the pregnant mother to the end of the world if I can earn my bonus which I will use to bring my grandmother for her 80th birthday in Hawaii. Yes, some of us find it annoying but this is facts of life. This is the society we live in. Some sales people are aggressive some are not. Don’t forget that sales people are the most aggressive people in any companies. Ask your own company as well on how they do sales.

    In addition, these 3 companies appear to be VERY young company in a very new industry. What do you expect? The popular one will definitely get stepped down the most. They will learn, evolved and move on. If not, another will take over. Look at Microsoft. Anti trust after anti trust law suit but what PC am I using to type? There is no such thing as ideal world. So stop complaining. Do something about it. Offer some reasonable solution. Stop complaining.

    Write a petition, organize a campaign, DEMAND all companies to undergo ISO certification. Require MOH to do yearly auditing. Improve all 3 companies’ standard. THESE are the real method to improve OUR living standard in Malaysia. Otherwise we are just trolling away being a burden to everyone and wasting everyone’s time who are actually trying to do real research.

    Bottom line is this. There is REAL need to store the cord blood if you can afford it. Price will be a factor since free competition allow price war. If you can afford it, go ahead. Buy it and have a peace of mind. The more you listen to the world, UNLESS you are knowledgable about the world, you’ll begin to think the planet is really FLAT! Didn’t the ENTIRE world believe this once upon a time? It doesn’t make it right unless if you believe it. Read more and decide for yourself. You’re smart and I’m not stupid either.

  • 168. DylanLim  |  August 24, 2007 at 6:25 am

    Hi. My wife’s pregnant and we’re considering storing our baby’s stem cells. One of our pregnant friends recommended for us to refer to this website. To be honest, I do not think it matters who the people are posting the comments (whether or not it’s an ex-staff, or a competitor, or company X itself). We should not deviate our attention from the real problem. This website has helped address a lot of ethical issues we should all be concerned about, especially the way the stem cells are stored (storing Hep B infected stem cells with the healthy stem cells??? How this is allowed is beyond my comprehension) and of course, the management of the company.

    All in all, I just want to say that personally, I really found this site to be very informative. In fact, i think that Company X (and also other stem cell companies) should all realise how important it is to be transparent in your operations and also to not abuse the trust that we parents, have in you storing our baby’s stem cells. I think that we are already very fortunate to have such a technology and also various options to store the stem cells in Msia. There are real benefits in storing the stem cells and i hope that all those involve in this business will not exploit it just to make more money.

  • 169. Comment  |  August 24, 2007 at 12:18 pm

    Just want to ask you’ll a question, do you’ll know what is the percentage of using back the stem cells in the future?

    I got these information from a hematologists from HKL; For sibling is 25% matching, for parents are 50% matching. Then for the baby himself or herself is 100%.

    But, the doctor told me what if there is generate problem? the baby can’t use back he own stem cells. Let give an example, if the baby’s having problem within two to three years old, the generate problem will be 80% to 100 %.

    The total volume of the storage stem cells is 25ml. Normal collection was around 250millions stem cells to 600millions stem cells. Let said 600millions stem cells, the most for transplant is only 30kg of human bady weight. Then, why should we invest for 20years? Expention of stem cells, forget about it, the technology will cost us a sky price.

    And, the chances for the healthy family to use back the stem cells is around 0.000002%. Take in consideration, 0.000002% to use the own cord blood in the future + sibling 25% chances + parents 50% chances + Generate problem + storage mistake 3% + cells count availability for transplant ( XXX / 20millions stem cells perkg of human weight ) = conclusion is, if you have the extra money, go ahead to do so because you don’t mind to throw the money into the sea and buy a peace of mind insurance. Then, your dream will never come true if your never understand the true meaning of the storage. When one day you need it, you will find out there is a lot of things you never know and understand.

    Just wonder how many of the parents who stored their baby’s cord blood and understand the whole picture. You’ll cannot expect those companies telling you the true.They didn’t lie to you but they just don’t tell you the true.

    Call your sales agent now, ask them this statistic and find out whether they know or not………..

    Don’t blame me, Just want to share with you’ll….. Thanks.

    Have a nice day……

  • 170. technology  |  August 24, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    hi comment,
    i agree wt what u said. yes, 1kg required 20millions stem cells. but i think if those patients require stemcells, i am sure their body weight must be very low. so if they have stemcells, i am sure no matter how, doc sure will use even thou it might not sufficient. because this is better than none. cos, doc will do all things to save the patient life. rite?

    well, i also did some research thru internet about stem cells technology. from wat u said, is true that now stem cells technology are still not there yet. but, some reseaches had been done in heart disease, stroke….etc

    but i wont discourage or encourage here. this is because.. if i encourage to store, i will be blamed if stem cells cant do much in medical treatment in futue. But, i also wont discourage here because i scared to be blame if one day stem cells technolgy really can be used for many degenerative diseases like heart diseases…etc..

    so, i would say.. do ur own reseach. dont listen to anyone.. now it is very convenien to search more info from internet 😉

  • 171. TakBolehTahan  |  August 24, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    What niteowl and private said are correct. We can’t check with those O & G specialist. Is not their field. they are specialise in O & G.Some of them even never check out wats the applications of stem cells….how can they give u the rite answers?
    jz like u ask a dentist to check your eyes……….rite?
    do ur own reseach and homework……if can,go n ask stemcell’s specialist and haematologists

  • 172. TakBolehTahan  |  August 24, 2007 at 5:08 pm

    ya….another thing……..vials VS bag…….
    im strongly agree…..logic thinking……..
    it doesn’t matter how you store them (vials or bag)…what matters is how u process them (standards, protocol, ethics, cleanroom etc).
    ppl out there tell you store in vials will get contamination easily……?no…….doesn’t matter to the method…..its depend how you proccess and the facilities of the company……if the facilities’s standard are not there……then even though you choose bag system also will get contamination.

  • 173. RVBTD  |  August 25, 2007 at 1:14 am

    The other company also have a tyrant boss Botak RV. Bark, bark, bark everyday at staff making their life miserable .. & always like to tell sick disgusting sex joke, worse is always brag about himself & take other people’s credit. Soo tak malu. Hope someone tell him to stop bragging about himself & also stop telling sick sex jokes because really it makes people nauseous.

  • 174. unknown  |  August 25, 2007 at 2:56 am

    rvbtd, i dont think its right for u to condemn other like tat over here. bosses are still humans,off course they are imperfect. im sure everyone in this world will hate thier bosses at times as well. but dont la condemn ppl untill like tat.ppl in this industry knws who r u referring to u know…

  • 175. brocolli  |  August 25, 2007 at 3:10 am

    hi dave and comment, i totally agree with u both.im not saying that this technology is useless.i just see where the Minister is coming from by making the statement”these co. are running by business license only”…..that i must agree totally!
    yes,stem cells have been proven to some extend,but there are so many other technologies out there can have been saving lifes as well…stem cells is just one of the option…to store or not to store,depends on ur discretion…probably to some ppl like me,is as good as throwing ur money into the sea,but to some ppl,its just a small sum of money,so its ok to take the risk…well,its individual rights…do correct or wrong in this matter…

  • 176. Comment  |  August 25, 2007 at 10:02 am

    I don’t think this blog is really influencing co’ X in their future. The Ten reasons might happen on the others companies also. What I heard from my friends, she was the ex-staff from cc, according to her, that is another hopeless management.

    I did search some information from US cord blood banks, according to the statistic, 15 out of 17 of the private cord blood banks have closed down since past few years. The main reason was, most of them sued by their clients on the misleading and over promised.

    American has stored their baby’s cord blood for more that 15 years and we have just started for 5 years in Malaysia. May be ten years later, the same situation will be happen over here cause when some of the parents want to take it out the cord blood and they found that the cord blood was useless. Then, the company will show you the agreement, they only refund the sum of money you have paid to them, plus another letter mentioned that you are advice to contact the national cord blood bank.

    If this happen on you, what will you do? Contact MCA? DAP? Press conference? MOH? or sue them?

    Please get as much information as you can before you store your baby’s cord blood. Don’t give and excuse for you to regret in the future. No one can force you or stop you to store.

    A real example, my sister-in-law did store her baby’s cord blood with Co’X. I did ask her comment; and found that she knew nothing on the stem cells. Asked her why she stored it? The reason is, her friend told her store the baby’s cord blood is a very good idea. Damn, is a trend, like when everybody are using 3G, you will use it also. Is a market TREND !!!!!!

    Some Consideration points before you make up your mind:

    1) From a healthy family background?
    2) Understand the points of storage?
    3) Contamination rate in the future?
    4) Company stability?
    5) Company promised?
    6) Check your bank account, got extra money?
    7) How many of your friends did store the cord blood? Why?
    8) If you have doctor friends, ask their advice. Don’t bother whether he or she from the stem cells field or not.

    Then, make your own conclusion. And, you will never regret in the future.

  • 177. earlyworm  |  August 25, 2007 at 11:31 am

    To all contributors of this blog – Pls do not use this to insult individuals or target ppl you dislike. If you are ex staff of any company, either contribute on how we can try to improve the situation, what others need to look for in stem cell co or something positive. This is not a place for vendetta esp about ex bosses, nor is nit fair to single any one person out. I do know some of the ppl mentioned, and while some may not like these ppl or subscribe to their ways of management, pls refrain from personal attacks.

  • 178. sane  |  August 25, 2007 at 11:38 am

    I agree with earlyworm.To the moderator of this blog, I have a favour to ask. Please remove comments that are personal attacks on individuals so that only relevant comments are posted here. BTW, all 3 companys are having some promotion and prices are dropping fast. And did u know that there is one company calling themselves international. Do your check as I havre done. They are as local as I am. Another company with no honesty. Lying about themself in the company introduction.

  • 179. CK  |  August 26, 2007 at 7:20 am

    RVBTD … great place to voice out … just hope the moderator doesnt remove ur comments … hey freedom of speech rules!

  • 180. RVBTD  |  August 26, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    Unknown … this is “Nothing” compare to how the staff there suffer … boss also should treat staff like human & human dont deserve to be bark at everyday … life is already hard … ask themlah what he deserve … hmmmm … let me guess … both earlyworm & sane is Botak?

  • 181. mydaughter  |  August 26, 2007 at 5:41 pm

    Did anyone check on co X website? its not workg anymore…. including the video on adult stem cell therapy done in MHSC by Dr S and a patient who claimed full recovery was interviewd..

    trying to destroy previous evidence b4 MOH really take action i guess……

  • 182. mydaughter  |  August 26, 2007 at 6:34 pm

    for the stem cell collection and storing, i believe it is personal choice now. whether it is goin to work, only future knows.

    but like many saids, do own research then only decide and if you have extra cash, you have better choice. if not then choose to donate. but i wonder if public cord blood bank will take it in to store or not if from private hospital. better check and confirm with national blood bank.

    however, whether the chances goin to use stem cells be very small or big percentage in future, it is not up to me to judge for now but just like insurance, you pay for it but may not likely to use it (like death, accident paralyse, 36 diseases etc). just in case purpose. even car accident may not happen often, but we still pay a high insurance on car until we get better discount on NCB. but insurance is still a CHOICE to public, you dont have to really insure yourself but you choose to insure it because our country simply do not take enough care on you and your family. i think many countries dont, including USA, that’s why their citizen choose to buy insurance themselves before agents sell them the policy. It is called self risk management.

    the other thing abt cell expansion technology, cant say whether that will work but looking into the list of universities, labs, medical ctrs, clinical labs doing it all over the world, the chances may be there to work well in future. about the cost to pay for stem cell expansion, we cant tell for sure in future if it is goin to be expensive or not. may be now, but i guess since many labs are doin the research phase, so they probably will offer someone who opt to be trying for clinical trial free of charge…..

    even if it works, just like handphone, it cost almost RM 30,000 for 1 unit in the mid 80s but down to only RM 200-1000 now. IBM computer cost more than USD 1 mil in early 70s but notebook now cost only RM 2,000 per unit. so it is only based on the number of usage and application of stem cells in future to make it affordable or not.

    if like many claims that stem cell can be used in many treatment and if works well with good recovery rate, then the above technology may be able to lower in price in future. how soon? no one knows. neither me. but with hope to have it lower and affordable to public.

    my family have a rare inherited disease that caused celebral degeneration and about 7 members now are already paralyse half body down incldg children. tried with many specialists, local and all around the world and only some suggest stem cell treatment in future. I am definitely not goin to give up on stem cells therapy

    i have watched a programme in Astro E! channel just 2 days ago, they interview Micheal J. Fox, he had Parkinson disease and he founded charitable M J Fox Foundation, and the lady CEO of the foundation very much believe in stem cell therapy as the actor himself and they plough in millions of donated dollars into the research with a hope one day it can be used to treat Parkinson’s disease. At present they are using controversial embryonic stem cell but with hope that they can try with other kinds of stem cells from the body.

    Lets put some hope into this great human health project. so our hope for Malaysian health will also see some lights.

    in memory of ‘superman’ who died before getting a chance to be treated by stem cells therapy.

  • 183. DylanLim  |  August 27, 2007 at 1:11 am

    i think there are some ppl who are really deviating their attention away from the real issues being raised here..some bosses are fierce with their staff because they want their staff to work more effectively and efficiently. It does not necessary mean that the bosses do not have the customers’ interest as a priority.

    I agree with what mydaughter said earlier on doing your own research then only decide and if you have extra cash to store your baby’s cord blood with these stemcell banks. Do not condemn the 3 companies for providing “hope” to those who believe the benefits of the technology.

    The 3 companies will only be at fault if they do not process their stemcells in a proper manner, but they are not at fault at providing these services to us. We should not always expect immediate results for things to happen. Sometimes, we need to really invest our money for results to happen.

  • 184. unknown  |  August 27, 2007 at 3:04 am

    rvtb,its small chinaman co. ma..u think some multinational meh…if u really cant take it,go join a MNC..things are really runned more professionally here…im so glad i left and came here..

  • 185. sane  |  August 27, 2007 at 5:58 am

    rvbtd, i have no idea who is earlyworm ,n im certainly not the person you refer so stop trowing acusation. if you are frus with company, leave. If u have any thing to say on how company mislead customers or take shortcuts, say it. if u are still in company, u have no integriti.

    anyway, did anyone read moh statement today? seem like minister anti-stem cell bank. r they going 2 close down this industry? can they do this? If parents want 2 store and can afford 2, why all the noise? moh shud just intoduce regulation to control company to follow prosedur. Allow customer right to decide

  • 186. spawn of littlelizard. i am BIG LIZARD.  |  August 27, 2007 at 6:44 am

    hey sane… not trying to be a smartass here…but u spelled “integriti” wrong. It’s integrity with “ty” as in “pretty”. not “ti” as in “graffiti”.. now now before u get all huffy and think i’m against you… i’m not.
    I’m just the spawnoflittlelizard who speaks excellent English coz my mum made me read a lot of Enid Blyton and Peter&Jane books when i was a kid. 😀
    I won’t go on to the other spelling mistakes…coz there’s too many really..
    Blogging rocks yeah! (fists in the air)

  • 187. DylanLim  |  August 27, 2007 at 6:48 am

    Pioneer..i think you deserve a compliment on what you put down here. I could not have put down what you so state more clearly. You are right. Like you, i do not support any of the blood bank providers. The MOH should also not clamp down/ reject upfront the potential benefits of storing stem cells with the blood banks in the market. I think its being purely reactive towards the recent increasing disgrunted customers have with their own blood banks. MOH should be more proactive and should quickly come out with guidelines to help regulate the industry so that a minimum level of standards are being met. That way, these blood banks would have a clear guideline what their benchmarks should be. Again, there are some of us who truly believe in the benefits of stem cells storage. Hence, it is unfair to take this belief and hope away just because one company did not meet the minimum hygiene/ ethical standards.

  • 188. niteowl  |  August 27, 2007 at 8:03 am

    Hey, hey hey…I’m back. Nice to see my old friend ‘spawn of littlelizard. i am BIG LIZARD’ still active. Sane does need to improve spelling and grammar. As an exstaff of one company, I wish to advise rvbtd not to tell lies about other ppl. Just because you do not like botak, doesn’t mean you should tell such lies. Rvbtd, there are some ex-staff and many current staff who would disagree with you, esp on the sex jokes and taking credit part. Like you i agree botak is quite strict. As for barking at staff everyday, i worked there too, and that is certainly not true. So let’s be fair and not condemn someone just ‘cos you have a personal grudge.

  • 189. detroit  |  August 27, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    talking bout bosses,the new cord blood bank allso got 1 bloody irritating old man who does nothing but bark n bark at staff everyday.keep on nagging n asking the same thing over n over again..not sure what kinda dr. is he but heard tat he is some research scientist…mr.white hair has been telling customers tat pak lah’s daughter will store with his co. dunno how true is this..

  • 190. You want the thruth? You can't handle the thruth!  |  August 27, 2007 at 4:40 pm

    WOw! The list seems to have expanding so fast since I last saw it a week ago. Lots of heated healty debate but some personal attacks. I will stick to the former. Just 2 make 2 points. I just learned that the hepB infection rate in Malaysia is around 5% of population (correct me if I am wrong). If CompX is the only company that store hepB positive cases, then other infected cases will come to them. Do your own maths. Assunig they store 10,000 cases, there will be at least 500-1000 cases of hepB stored in compX. This exclude hepC cases. Can someone tell if there are any comp in this world that store hepB cases? If not then they should seriously think about getting rid of those samples. Secondly, I am not trying to defend cord blood companies but someone mentioned that they are just profit making industry. Hey, my friend, the whole medical industry is profit making. Just in case you don’t realise, doctors don’t run charities, medical trements are not free, the drugs you take , most of the profir goes to large foreign pharmaceutical industries. BTW they earn billions every year. The only thing that is free is the air we breath.

  • 191. Pioneer  |  August 28, 2007 at 7:48 am

    DylanLim. Do you know what is the most infuriating about this whole situation? The most infuriating is the fact that cordblood banks knows very well the do’s and don’ts but some chose profit over resposibility. As I’ve mentioned earlier, the lack of proper legislation in this country allows the corrupted organization the freedom to do whatever they want. The government need not come up with guidelines in fact. The cordblood banks can self regulate perfectly well…if they want to. And its also absurd that no guidelines are available despite cordblood banks being allowed to operate in this country for so many years. The silence on MOHs’ part makes me feel like this problem is a time bomb waiting to explode. Its typical Malaysian administration : someone has to die first for them to take action.
    There are good organizations and then there is Stemlife. I gotta apologize to all of you, but I just have let it out:
    Who the hell do you think you are? Treating everyone like fools ! Exploiting those who are looking for hope! Risking the lives of many for profit! Betray those who believed in what you do! Why all the short cuts!? Why manipulate your employees and stain their hands!? How much is enough!?
    That is not the way to make money. I know for sure there is one place that you people will be going soon. Look it up in the Bible.
    Whewww. That was a relief. For those who thinks I am taking sides…you’re damn right! And if you think that I am wrong, you’re most probably from Stemlife. But I’m not here to vent my anger…maybe just a bit. I hope you folks will look at the whole situation and learn from it. And I pray that if someone who stored and really needs the stemcell for leukaemia, it better not be from Stemlife.

    I would like to explain again that I was working with a Cordblood Bank before but not anymore. I was the pioneer back then when doctors and hospital knew nothing about stem cell technology. I watched kids died from leukamia because the bone marrow tranplant did not work. Hence I am a firm believer that stem cell technology may one day give us the salvation. Which is why I am still passionate about it. We cannot stop progress. We must embrace it with proper education and awareness…and in this case, compassion.

  • 192. DylanLim  |  August 28, 2007 at 8:15 am

    Pioneer..you are so right..like you, i try to not to be bias and try to be objective abt the whole situation…but by being objective, it is so clear that SL has definitely been operating placing their own selfish and greedy interest ahead of its customers and employees…i myself, am not at all from the cord blood (or medical) industry for that matter..however, i too believe in the technology and its ability to save many lives in the future.. i sincerely hope that SL will stop exploiting the situation to make money only and have more compassion to those who really believe in this. start promoting on the benefits of storing stem cells, rather than attacking and condemning each other on silly issues. For instance like which storage methods are better, i.e. bags vs vials (since both methods are also used internationally, when you should be concentrating on hygiene issues).

  • 193. spawn of littlelizard. i am BIG LIZARD.  |  August 28, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    tsk tsk tsk.. so emotional..
    have a beer Pioneer. relax.

    And for God’s sake please leave the Bible out of this..How Dare u involve religion in this issue! Things are bad enough as it is without ppl like you throwing religion into our faces. I have never taken a stand agaist anyone in this blog coz i’ve been happy enough to remain as an observer. Up till now. Congratulations Pioneer, you’ve just managed to piss off the spawn of littlelizard…

  • 194. Sadness  |  August 28, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    I agree with RVBT. Sad but true 😦

  • 195. Dr. Majid  |  August 28, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    Pioneer..Chill..do u noe that by mentioning the name of the company..and posting what u said about them can caused u to b SUED FOR DEFAMATION??If one ever finds out ur true identity..in which if one hires a hacker will b able to track..U can indeed b sued

  • 196. mydaughter  |  August 28, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    Dr Majid, are you really a doctor? or representative person from the other? or related to singer Sh. Majid?

    Pls dont threaten to sue lah, this is a place for the free thinker. if you behave like a truly Malaysian, then you should keep it silent, as for others who dare to speak, they may not want to behave like Malaysian and might have already fled the country and singing ‘negarakuku’ in overseas or joint the opposition party.

    Anyway, cut the rubbish. my point here is that doctors are always ignorant in this country. And money making is their prime motive to run medical outfit and services. No doubt about it.

    We hve doctors who sell illegal drugs in their own clinic, doctors who do illegal abortion, doctors who sell free sample medicine given by the pharmaceutical firm at a lower price to patient (cheaper than pharmacy), doctors who prescribe unapprove clinical trial drugs to terminal ill patients, doctors who use scare tactics to get you to pay for unneccesary treatment and surgeries (which sometime be fatal to patients), doctors who overclaim, doctors who become politicians etc….

    So I do agree with whoever who said that doctors can be quite unethical, money driven – greed, ignorant, prejudice, self righteous, stubborn, ungrateful & so on.

    We must seek for 1st, 2nd, 3rd opinions before really making up our mind on every single medical conditions we are subjected to.

    as consumer, we have to be smart enough to do our own research. i only pity those who are ignorant on plain listening to one source of voice and have no independent judgement, particularly a lot of our Malaysian Chinese speaking crowd who are less educated.

    by the way, not all doctors are unethical. Some are really reliable good doctors, just that they are difficult to find. And many already moved to overseas. If anyone knows one here, pls do recommend. So that many may be benefitted. And we really need to do ratings on them too (from 1 to 10 or A to E).

  • 197. unknown  |  August 29, 2007 at 1:44 am

    dr.majid,i dont see anything wrong with Pioneer’s statement. talking bout sueing, pls..this is msia, not US…it takes forever to sue someone…

  • 198. MN  |  August 29, 2007 at 9:25 am

    mydaughter most doctors are not what u said to be although some are really bad apples. It is unfair to generalise them all. As regard to this forum there r definitely bad docs who unscrupulously apply stem cell therapy without proper clinical trials. This will not only risk the poor patients’ health but also tarnish the Malaysian medical industry. As for the so called Dr. Majid who is so worried abt law suits I suggest u better visit a psychiatrist b4 coming 2 this site.

  • 199. TNC  |  August 29, 2007 at 10:45 am

    Wow… almost 10k hitZ adi this site…that is freaking fast sia… 🙂

  • 200. debbie  |  August 30, 2007 at 7:42 am

    just wanna be the 200th to leave comment 😛

  • 201. Pioneer  |  August 30, 2007 at 8:56 am

    I wonder what happened to some of my comments. Was it too outrageous that it had to be removed? If so then I apologize.

  • 202. who?  |  August 31, 2007 at 6:54 am

    i heard from someone, SL got good answer for storing Hep B patient, at least it can help the hep b patient itself…its good thing indeed to save the hep B baby(i dont know?true eh?)..juz for other healthy parent, u dont hv to open d possiblility of infection by storing v the company that store Hep B(although they claim store in diff tank so very minor contamination possibilities..the main point THEY STORE HEP B) .. let them do the good thing of helping the hep B patient..u can always store v other company that do not store hep B..so easy laa why pening2?

    btw, happy merdeka day!freedom to speak!

  • 203. Pioneer Also  |  September 3, 2007 at 9:24 am

    niteowl…..are u really really sure of what u said…
    strict does not give u right to condemn ppl, discredit ppl, barking at ppl…force ppl to leave….especially in front of others….even pasar malam ppl are much better when handle ppl nowadays and yet u call urself professional…i’m saying this as outsider who observed as it happened ok…since you worked there you figured yourself..i’m not interested..

    i’m writing this cos i’m customer of cc and passionate about this cordblood banking probably bcoz i’m in medical line as well..i truly believe in this technology a so-called bio-insurance whatever it is..but the sad things these co are manipulating customers with facts…the most brutal one is SL…who dare to put big poster that they are FDA approved…it is only the bag which is FDA approved (also not sure la the truth)..

    after 5 years i’m following cordblood banking.this is the scene.
    – one company with lousy product but powerful marketing..
    – one company with good product (better be coz i stored with them) , good STAFFS but with the very above
    – another company also not bad,learning the tricks from the 2 cos and try fill the gaps and take advantage..

    the fourth one would be interesting coz it is hospital based surely give these cos a run for their money..

    Hey customers out there…dont just believe what ppl say…go and find out urself..this is best place to start..

    As for all the cos…do it ethically and professionally..it’s ppl live you are playing..ok..

  • 204. joel  |  September 3, 2007 at 9:37 am

    Hi, someone told me about this blog spot..had a look at it…good job to those who take time and effort to suggest extra material for info…and to those who point out the bulls**t within SL keep it going…to those who take it out on a more personal note against others…pls refrain…this is a blog.

  • 205. niteowl  |  September 3, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    Pioneer Also, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am 2 mine. I have no idea where the things you said actually happened, but since you seem to live in a delisional world where you think it happened, then perhaps you need to see a shrink. This blog is meant to in form and share about the various cos malpractice in the industry, not to engage in personal attack as Joel said. So take your comments elsewhere or else, contribute in the spirit of the blog.

  • 206. unknown  |  September 3, 2007 at 2:42 pm

    my ex-colleagues who are still in SL are actually quite frantic lately after the MOH incident…according to them,there is this awkward moment in the working environment.they knw something is happening but dare not ask the management…buses ads were taken down,billboard ad removed…employees starting to look for other jobs,running away from something that they anticipate will happen..poor thing…

  • 207. Poneer  |  September 3, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    I feel d remorse and I would like to appologise for my wrong doing…I read an article in the newspaper saying that MOH approve the storing of hep B and Hep C…So…I would like to say sorry to Co. X for having insulting them so badly when all I did was just misunderstood them

  • 208. Pioneer  |  September 3, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    I feel d remorse and I would like to appologise for my wrong doing…I read an article in the newspaper saying that MOH approve the storing of hep B and Hep C…So…I would like to say sorry to Co. X for having insulting them so badly when all I did was just misunderstood them

  • 209. mother  |  September 4, 2007 at 6:40 am

    hi pioneer,can u pls let me know which paper?coz im deciding whether or not to store with SL but now im concern with the Hep B and Hep C.so i could kindly let me knw which newspaper came out with tat article…

  • 210. TakBolehTahan  |  September 4, 2007 at 7:09 am

    to pioneer…wow~~~~~~~~so supriesed……..pls share with us which paper and wats the date…..im reading newspapers everyday……chinese and ing as well…….but i never see any article saying that…..mayb i missed it…..pls tell us……thanks…..

  • 211. TNC  |  September 4, 2007 at 7:14 am

    Hmmm…that’s wierd cos i don recall reading the newspaper saying MOH approved of storing HEP B & C samples…which newspaper is that Pioneer? Share it wif us pls… 🙂

  • 212. Anonymous  |  September 4, 2007 at 9:25 am

    Its called The Stemlie Times!

  • 213. official  |  September 4, 2007 at 9:30 am

    MOH runs the public cord blood bank that receive donors cordblood. Due to the limited numbers of samples collected from the public and many samples quality are not up to expectation, they have to take in merely all samples possible.

    According to some overseas public cordblood banks, they may take in cordblood from patient with PRE-historical hep B/C infection but CURED at the time of collection to allow more cordblood samples to be saved. However, a quarantine system/method practise by UK/Brtitish healthcare authorities are strictly adhered. That means the cordblood from previous Hep B/C patients which are cured will still need to be separated away from the healthy cordblood units. May be in another lab, another place and in another set up.

    I believe Malaysia MOH running a public cordblood bank will consider so when they need to build up their cordblood library faster and bigger (compared with some foreign cordblood bank which stored in 100,000 units, our own with less than 10,000 units. still long way to catch up. Also considering the Hep B/C carriers and patients population is relatively large in this country.

    But if MOH choose to store in the same lab, then they are not adhering to the top standard as practised by the world authorities. eg AABB, Netcord, Fact etc.

    That may still let a chance to allow possible cross contamination between healthy and possible infected Hep B/C samples if strict protocol and stringent screening and collection procedure are not adhere. So approving it doesnt mean they are qualified to collect the samples until all these stringent criteria have been sorted out in the first place.

  • 214. unknown  |  September 4, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    alamak..dun tell me there are still some SL’s staff tak serik serik lagi..still playing “pretend” and trying to defend SL…aiyo..

  • 215. Sincere Heart  |  September 4, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    Curious, I’m away for a while and now I come back to answer yr queation. The SL Sales person only being honest for 50%. She told me they store at different tank!!!!! It’s the answer true?

  • 216. mydaughter  |  September 5, 2007 at 4:27 am

    dear administrator, comment no. 207 name is PONEER and not PIONEER or PIONEER ALSO.

    read the message carefully, you can have a wild guess who this may be.

    beware of cloaks and daggers……

  • 217. bzbod  |  September 5, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    Unknown, referring to your comment 174:
    rvbtd, i dont think its right for u to condemn other like tat over here. bosses are still humans,off course they are imperfect. im sure everyone in this world will hate thier bosses at times as well. but dont la condemn ppl untill like tat.ppl in this industry knws who r u referring to u know…

    I need to point out to you that u’re so wrong. Botak RV is not imperfect….he is Perfect (but self-claimed lah) … hahahahahaa … RVBT, forget it lah, he thinks he is perfect, it is waste of time telling him that he is not!

  • 218. MAma CAre  |  September 5, 2007 at 1:46 pm

    mmm…so surprise ya!!!!!!!!!!!
    Best la all of u…

  • 219. lazy  |  September 6, 2007 at 6:58 am

    When i first began reading this blog, I was happy that there were still people of conscience, willing to tell the truth. However, it seems lately that people have lost the plot where it was supposed to be about improving the standards and quality of these cord blood banks. Instead, all I have seen lately is the personal attacks on individuals by cowards who do not have the guts to stand up to these individuals they attack. It is one thing to attacak a company and reveal the ‘truth’ about thier practice, and quite another to indulge in character assasination of individuals. I would urge these people who hide behind this blog to speak to their victims directly and only participate in this blog if it pertains to the practice, standards, quality, truth or lies told by any particular company. If you do not have anything to contribute with regards to the above, then just shut your cowardly mouth and cease trying to prove that you are indeed an asinine fool!

  • 220. fairy  |  September 6, 2007 at 7:42 am

    hhehehehe. Why so angry lazy Let them say wat they want. Many of my frends think that this ppl who attack their boss is actually got no chracter. Bos also human, some good some not so good. If you cannot stand leave lo. I have my friend working in this co as botak RV, and my friend say her bos not like what this ppl say in blog. But I also see tat now not so many news of cox..why no more story ah?

  • 221. technology  |  September 6, 2007 at 9:33 am

    ya. i agreed with lazy.. at first this blog is so amusing. Really reveal a lot of truth on how business ppl earn money in unethical way. But now, I am getting bored when i read all these personal attack message. hey come on, those who likes to complain about bosses, for me, they are immature. and pls dont post any personal attack message here again. Is sooo boring…..

    recently, i was told that co. x offered RM800 for vials. thier explanation is, the price for each vial is only about RM 2. thats y they can offer RM800.

    But wat i dont understand is, if they offer RM2000 for bag, and RM800 for vials (because price for vials are cheaper), is that mean the bag cost bt RM1200????? one small bag cost RM1200? the difference is too big… it make me suspecting with wat they say. OR, are they cutting down or skip any step if customer choose to put in vial in thier company???

  • 222. ANTI-CRITICISM  |  September 6, 2007 at 11:33 am

    hey technology . . r ya an idiot or wat! why dun u ask urself . . why both c-company chargin so ex for their vials as u said if their cost is only Rm2. . r they making higher margin out of it!
    Make use of ur thinkin! ! !

  • 223. Pioneer  |  September 7, 2007 at 1:32 am

    I think my comments really did hurt Stemlife. I would like to say the person posing as me is very loyal to Stemlife although this tactic is pretty shallow.The least you could do is use proper vocabulary. But good try though. You’ve just personified Stemlife’s business ethics and proved to all of us that this blog is right all along.

  • 224. niteowl  |  September 7, 2007 at 4:14 am

    To Sincere Heart comment #215, if they are storing hep B in separate tank, ask for definite proof in black and white. And even if that were true (which we know is a lie) they still process hep B blood in same lab as other blood. No risk to other blood samples???…think again!! Hep B is more infectious than even HIV. In fact, WHO did state that storing biological material which contain highly infectious agents such as Hep B virus etc is considered as storing WMD (weapons of mass destruction)

  • 225. Courteous  |  September 7, 2007 at 7:08 am

    After reading the whole blog, I’m surprised at some bloggers. Please be courteous…you don’t have to call other people names or be RUDE. For the record, I’m not attached to any of the cryoblood companies. I’m actually in the medical line, I believe in stem cell therapy, but a lot of cell lines are still under research. I still remember a decade ago that stem cells can cure Alzheimer and now, this is still under research. Therefore, those who want to store their baby’s cord blood, do more research on what diseases that can be cured and what can’t be cured. Our company actually had an event a while ago ( I was pregnant back then), and we thought it was nice to have SL be our speaker. I must say that they were not very nice people. They only wanted to make use of our event to promote their product. At the end of the event, they threw all our company’s brochures and fliers into a box, taking back what belongs to them. They came, they hit and they ran.

    Btw, I didn’t store my baby’s cordblood. We are thinking of getting baby a good medical insurance and trust fund to secure her future. We as parents try to do as much as we can but nothing is PERMANENT. Life is all about BALANCE. Thank you for all the information given. Cheers 😉

  • 226. xyz  |  September 7, 2007 at 11:26 am

    to 221 & 222, pls refer to my comment 11 in the “About Me” page. The page can be reached by scrolling up to d uppermost of this page and click “About Me”.

  • 227. Sincere Heart  |  September 7, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    To niteowl comment #215, don get me wrong!! I know Hep B is more infectious and I’m really sad coz make the wrong decision. Thanks for all the information and i will try my best to tell others about all the lies.

  • 228. Crazy  |  September 8, 2007 at 7:07 am

    I met SL staffs at Sunway Medical Centre yesterday. I did asked them few questions on the Hep B and also the MOH statements. They keep saying that Hep B cord blood will putting into separate tank and they claimed that MOH know nothing about the stem cells and just open the mouth and complained. Wow!! i think they must have some points to said that. Bless them…..!!!

  • 229. Anonymous  |  September 8, 2007 at 10:46 am

    Wow! Did someone mentioned about a cure for hep B and C???? That would be a new world discovery. You should be awarded a Nobel Prize for it. I have never EVER heard of a cure for hep B and C. If there is a cure, please let me know what the name of the drug is and who the manufacturer is. I will put all my money in that stock. I know there are vaccine for hep B and people are trying to prevent new hep B cases by vaccination. I think it is irresponsible for companies to store hepatitis cases while the medical profession is trying to eliminate them. DO you guys know about that the only people that still holds small pox virus is the US and Russian military lab and they are getting a lot of criticism about this. Can you imagine in 20 yeras time when hep B is eliminated from earth except in SL, Malaysia? That would not be very funny!

  • 230. * DesperateHousewife *  |  September 9, 2007 at 1:08 pm

    Hi, just to share some of my experiences with SL recently. I personally think that if anyone could have afford to live without 3-5k in this long period of 20 years, why bother to compare so much about it. It’s just a matter of peace of mind. One of best thing is im so much confidence with this new technology after attended by a sales rep from SL, he had exhibited a strong technical info about stem cell, professional, spoke with confidence and great in manner. But of course the best part is he’s v. young n good looking and was driving a BWM sport. Impressive! Then, i asked him is that very profitable to work in this line, he just smiled and explained his great passion towards stem cell industry. And again i asked him why bother to work for SL since he seem to come from a good background, and he said if he was to choose among all the cord blood bank in msia for his 1st employment, nothing could have stopped him from going into msia 1st and largest cord blood bank. Same goes to my mind when i get to choose for the best stem cell bank for my baby. The best of all is that this boy had given me the values of customer satisfaction toward their services which company C couldnt, ultimately i had chosen SL for my baby cord blood banking. I personally used to work as sales exe ages back, the reason i didnt get to choose company C is that the sales rep was not as professional as SL, and he/she was busy and non-stop complaining or backstabbing SL for the whole counselling instead of explaining to clients what the company can actually offer for them in term of services. Even though company C had given me much better offer, but to me, is the customer satisfaction that counted.

  • 231. mydaughter  |  September 9, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    Oh! come on, Desparate housewife, you dont choose the company because the sales rep is good looking, very young and drive a BMW sport, and with sweet talk nor even because the company is 1st and largest but you choose it only when you are sure what you paid can really get you the real ‘peace of mind’ in long run. The viability of stem cells are utmost important and comes in with great help to you and your family in the case arise for use of stem cell therapy. Or even to others. But you dont store it to KILL your future (with potential Hep B/C contamination)

    Apart from sweet talking from SALES REP (as they always do), do check in with your medical advisors and with your own research towards the process and storage.

    I dont agree with badmouthing by co C sales rep neither on others but regardless of whether co C talking bad or not giving good service, you must know what you are paying for. To remind you, you are really paying for the stored stem cells samples to work or not and NOT paying the SALES REP to impress you and make more money through sweet talk and make him work in his life.

    You are the customer, think carefully before you choose. If you dont like all the other companies, then by all means store it with the S’pore stem cell banks, perhaps you have more peace of mind.

    And pls dont act and think like a desparate housewife. You are not investing in stem cells for a quick sex but you are in for a long lasting love!

  • 232. kenny  |  September 9, 2007 at 1:42 pm

    DesperateHousewife,

    god bless u never ever need your stem cells in the future…..

  • 233. AngermanagementCo.  |  September 9, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    Why bother so much, mydaughter?! haha.. u spoke like people backstabbing ur family members u know! R u one of the staff from company C?!!. . but u seriously sound like one. After all, desperatehousewife seem like just emphasize the customer satisfaction she had on SL instead of others. Those “V.goodlooking, BMW” is just some interesting add-in entertaining terms to color up this forum which all the while seem to be bit dull n sick of backstabbing each others.
    Oh yeah one more thing, heard more than 50 samples from SL had retrived out and safely carried out for stem cell transport, 2 baby cord blood n 50 adults, hmhm aint tat a big prove of how safe the clients’ sample had been kept and used ultimately. Wat seem to me is that com c was trying to haunt the customer paranoia with hepB/C issues whereby they doesnt seem to have retrive any samples out of their tanks for any stem cell transplant at the moment. Shame shame.

  • 234. JustineLow  |  September 9, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    Oh yeah regarding what Mydaugter had just mentioned.

    “If you dont like all the other companies, then by all means store it with the S’pore stem cell banks, perhaps you have more peace of mind.” quoted by Mydaughter.

    For my information, Cordlife in S’pore is the 1st and largest cordblood over there. And, one of the previous co-founder from cordlife is current CEO of SL, and their previous director of operation is current MD of SL. If Mydaughter were to say that S’pore stem cell bank would provide more peace of mind to their customers. Aint that meant we should have store our baby cord blood with SL as their operating people used to serve and operate the 1st and largest cord blood bank is S’pore. What’s the background of CEO & MD of both com C? Feel free to clarify ASAP pls, my EDD is early october, wont wait any longer.

  • 235. FUNNY  |  September 9, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    To JustineLow,

    Pls read the REASON no. 10 (10 reasons you shouldnt use co.X) posted by the pionner of co.x. Isnt that CLEAR enough to tell you What happen between Cordlife in spore and SL in Malaysia?

    Do you want the black and white letter written by the CEO of spore company, Steven , to show u that SL is not related to them anymore?? if you want, I can show u that letter!!!!

  • 236. ????  |  September 9, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    #233. AngermanagementCo

    I think you are the one from CO.X. You are damn funny. Until now, u still think storing HEp B and HEp C is ethical. so are u very proud to work in co. x and keep on telling the lie??? well.. justice will come one day.
    Bless u…..

  • 237. unknown  |  September 10, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    justine,do u knw CordLife Sg dont wanna be associated with SL.CordLife is a subsidary of an Australian co. they issued a letter stating tat no way are they associated with StemLife Malaysia…reason?who wanna be associated with StemLife who is famous for all the unethical back scene jobs..my junior from uni said tat our lecturers are warning them never to join StemLife..or even do their internship there..coz even lecturers knw wat are SL up to..n ppl with longsight vision can tell tat the future of SL is at stake..

  • 238. MAma CAre  |  September 12, 2007 at 1:57 am

    to all participant…
    thank you for your comment and info…
    now me and my husband decide to go company C and they are international basic!
    i choose that company because according to my husband their representative very good and soft spoken!
    the way that the sales rep explain to us,we looked she’s very confident with their product and i would like to wish CONGRATULATIONS to the company management because they trained their sales rep very GOOD!!!

  • 239. visitor  |  September 12, 2007 at 3:12 am

    MAma CAre, r u sure the co is international? I found out this co is local 100%, just claim 2 be international for image. Another bullshit co.

  • 240. Abbie  |  September 12, 2007 at 3:40 am

    Quote from comments 231:
    **You are the customer, think carefully before you choose. If you dont like all the other companies, then by all means store it with the S’pore stem cell banks, perhaps you have more peace of mind.**

    i agreed with it. S’pore has it own Public Cord Blood Bank since yr2005. There have two private cord blood banks in sg currenly, which only CL accredited AABB. It’s not easy for a private cord blood bank who get AABB accreditation, they must stricly follow the rule in term of processing and storage etc but also high cost they will involved. Therefore their annual storage fee is SGD1k+ (my husband’s cousin just gav birth on Sept and store her bb cord blood with CL). Compare to annual storage fee in M’sia, RM250 per year! You think Msia private cord blood bank will get AABB accreditation and chg ppl RM1K for annual storage fee? Who wan to store at high cost ?!

    I think all ppl here should know the difference between Public cordblood bank and private cordblood bank. Public cordblood bank have to stricly followed guldeline in order to get AABB or FACT and public cordblood bank also controlled by National Marrow Donor Program (NMDP) which serve as a link to global network means patient in worldwide can have access to other quality banks in their search for a suitable match. S’pore is a member of the US NMDP, link to the network of established and creditable public cord banks worldwide.

    What i am trying to said is, after seach thru cord blood info for nearly two weeks times and reading many info, i rather buy my bb who will deliver on Nov a good medical insurance instead. I believe all co in misa are profitable commercial business and i also dun believe they will get any accreditation (althou Co 3rd said to me they sure will get, give them time as they just established year+) which will only made their business went out as nobody will store at high cost. Now sg has its own public cord blood bank, i can have peace of mind and let the tech keep innovate ..

  • 241. mother  |  September 12, 2007 at 6:14 am

    tat 3rd co. who has the “international” name approached me also.same thing i asked, are they really “international”.according to their sales rep,they are local based co. who will be starting branches internationally soon. tats why they are called “international”…only time can tell whether their overseas branch will kick off or not..

  • 242. Stemlie  |  September 13, 2007 at 9:20 am

    I heard from a transplant doctors in a government hospital that one of the stem cell transplantation carried out over actually did not undergo any processing at all, ie they only freeze the whole cord blood and transplant them neat.If that is the case, then they can’t say that they have actually transplanted the case according to their procedure, right? Is anyone from ex-comX staff able to confirm this?

  • 243. PBSC  |  September 13, 2007 at 9:48 am

    the adult stem cells transplant done by stemlife actually did undergo some processing but there was no storage done. meaning you cant count the 50 cases as retrieved samples.wat actually happens is,we harvest the patient’s stem cells via PBSC,bring it back to the lab for quick processing and then almost immediately the doc will carry out the transplant.for cases like spinal injuries,the doc will instruct us to store in vials so that the transplant can be done over a process.

  • 244. Pioneer  |  September 13, 2007 at 11:04 am

    I’m sorry I can’t comfirm which paper it is..and My english Is BAD..Can’t spell pwopeli..Pls forgive me…PBSC…R u working for PBSC of stemlie?

  • 245. Sincere Heart  |  September 13, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Comment #240 Abbie,
    R U sure S’pore CL charge SGD1k + for annual stroge fees? I just came back from S’pore recently and spoken to CL’s consultant and she mention only SGD250 for annual storage fees.

  • 246. Pioneer  |  September 14, 2007 at 1:42 am

    TO THE PERSON PRETENDING TO BE ME: When you grow up, one day you will realise that what you did was really childish. Most of the contributors here clearly knows your intention and can tell which is the real ‘PIONEER’. So if you want to contribute to this blog, I hope that you will say something constructive for the benefit of others.
    The moderator should filter through these imposters and maintain the quality of discussion in this blog. I am a supporter of free speech but there is a difference between free speech and utter rubbish.

  • 247. Abbie  |  September 14, 2007 at 3:49 am

    Sincere Heart,

    Maybe 1k+ is inital processing fee for the storage, i didnt called CL to confirm. What i heard is from my husband maybe he listened wrongly. How much is the processing and storage cost is not matter to me if the precious cord blood can be store well under guidelines. I just don’t wan simply store it only knows is good for store but knows nothing about, and my “investment” let ppl go luxury life.

    My persoanl review: I asked one of the Co what agency they have registered with. The rep replied they have complied with FDA, i asked is Bio-Achieve system they use for processing and storage, which is the only best system that approved by FDA. The rep said have to check and yet replied me until today. I only concentrated query on this co as the others two Cos: one are more focus on their profitable storage method thru vials which claim the only method that ensures you can use those precious stem cells more than once of cell-exp tech. i asked isnt free, i also have to pay for extra cost for such cell-expansion high tech. How much/long cell can be expand to make enug for transplant. Isnt still have to go for public cord blood bank to search for matching cell instead of waiting cell grow. The rep diam diam; another one are more dangerous charged only few hundreds storage thru vials, what i understand is if store in vials the co must have cleanroom facility. i wonder if such $ can cover so called cleanroom expenses. And the rep very emphasize on bags as store in vials will cause stem cell died, and vials normally ppl store for sperms. ???!!!!!

    All ppl here should know there have advantages and disadvantages for storage either with bags or vials. For my understanding thru AABB, new rules of storage method is require to store in bags.

    Once i know our nearest country sg has Public cord blood bank, i immediate make up my decision already as i know that public willl be more advantage then store in private, the bottom line is public strictly follow guideline and accredited. in case of needed, have widen resources and search for and high matching rate.

    Disclaimer: ALl above are only my personal experience, research, thnking and decision. Not means to create any dispute.

  • 248. PBSC  |  September 14, 2007 at 11:35 am

    PBSC stands for peripheral blood stem cells

  • 249. Sincere Heart  |  September 15, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    Abbie,
    CL charge SGD1400 for 1st time fees but not included 1st year storage fees. Can we store with S’pore Public Cord Blood bank if we are not Singaporean/PR? I heard if we need to use the stem cell in future, we have to buy. Any idea? Is S’pore Public cord blood bank approve by FDA? I think you will agree with me that if you need any medical services, nothing is free! Even a pc of diaper that your new born baby wear when in hospital nursery, they will charge and is much much expensive compare you get it fr outside. So, for the expension tecnology, definitely you have to pay for it. If you need to use stem cell, r u sure the supply from Public Cord bank is enough and how long it need to take for the matching? If you store with the private bank, the stem cell is belong to your baby himself/herself. Don’t u think is much more easier for matching? Just same like you, money is not the matter for me, I just want my precious baby’s cord blood store well. I make wrong decision for my first baby but not second.

  • 250. Sincere Heart  |  September 15, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    Abbie,

    Pls refer to comment #182

  • 251. Abbie  |  September 17, 2007 at 1:05 am

    You can store with S’pore Public Cord Blood bank provided you gav birth at sg. Of coz you have to buy, the medical exp that sg chg for stem cell transplant is SGD26K. Every public bank need to be accredited.

    As i mentioned all is my personal decison and thinking, you can have your own choice. The three private co in M’sia not either one is accredited. I wonder how to store well the precious stem cells ..

    You can find all answers thru internet of your above queries. U will know differentiate btw public and private, adv & disadv, benefit, etc.

    Do your own research, dun just simply raise question …

  • 252. Joana  |  September 17, 2007 at 9:01 am

    Abbie..dun simply Give answers..it seems like they contradict..DO UR RESEARCH!!!

  • 253. Abbie  |  September 17, 2007 at 11:59 pm

    Oh..sorry ..i realised i use the wrong word. Shouldn’t said store, is donate. Provided u gav birth at sg, you can donate to public cord blood bank. Once donated, the stem cell will not belong to you anymore …

  • 254. Disgusted  |  September 18, 2007 at 2:09 am

    Whoever who started the “10 reasons” claims is unprofessional. We should not continue indulging in this. Time will tell !!! How sure are you what the truth is ???

  • 255. unknown  |  September 18, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    hi disgusted…yes time will tell how true are the claims..it can be affirmitive or otherwise..so dont be so upset…

  • 256. Sincere Heart  |  September 19, 2007 at 12:05 am

    Abbie,

    Why should you donate so call “PREVIOUS” stem cell to S’pore gov? even it’s not belong to you. If money is not the matter to you, then store yr baby cord blood w the other 2 except Stemlie. At least the stem cell is yours!! Do more research, don upset so fast.

    Disgusted,

    Have u become mother? If you did stored your baby’s cord blood with such “Stemlie” company, I believe you felt bad as well! Whether they store HEP B positive cord blood together or separate tank, world wide is not agreed!!!! Do you think time will tell? let me tell u, by word of mouth will be more faster to tell others about all the lies.

  • 257. Abbie  |  September 19, 2007 at 2:25 am

    a doi Sincere Heeart,

    you still dont know what i am talking about and what i am posting above. And seen like you also dont really understand adv and disadv btw public and private.

    Nvm, persist with your own choice.

  • 258. Jimmy  |  September 19, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    Sincere heart..u seem to b so against stemlie onli..WHAT IF ur child had hep B and also Leukemis..what wuld u then?

  • 259. unknown  |  September 19, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    jimmy..ur statement sould like a typical stemlie sales man

  • 260. Jimmy  |  September 20, 2007 at 10:11 am

    unknown..ur statement sound like typical fired staff

  • 261. popcorn  |  September 20, 2007 at 11:33 am

    And this blog is all about fired staff/competition vs stemlie.

  • 262. caremel popcorn  |  September 20, 2007 at 11:56 am

    its also about consumers who wants to know the truth vs current stemlie staff who wanna hide the truth

  • 263. wky  |  September 20, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    so what if the co. invests RM10 million in the trust fund? the co. is good by giving 50% discount on annual storage and of course the co. needs to find some money back. and the commission gotten by the remisier will surely be of good use 🙂

    even though it’s true that clients refuse to sign with us already, we are not worry as we are making lots of $$$$$ bcos the cost is only RM750.
    we make 1.25 million a month minus cost definately we can invest more.

  • 264. sc  |  September 20, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    Latest Breaking News!! Singapore Public Cord Blood Bank considering taking action against FACT-NETCORD for continuosly failing to accredit them after 4 attempts.

  • 265. xyz  |  September 20, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    Jimmy if your child had HepB and Leukemia the transplant doctor will definietly use others’ cord blood even though the child’s cord blood is stored. Contaminated CB units and delicate stem cell transplant don’t really go hand in hand; it is just like highly critical patients with both TB and HIV at the same time. BTW autologous transplant is always not encouraged.

  • 266. Sincere Heart  |  September 20, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    Jimmy,
    U really make me laugh!!!! when u going to have baby, do remember to store your baby cord blood with “STEMLIE” only.

    WKY,
    Tks so much for yr info!!

    To all future mama & papa,
    When u wish to store your baby’s cord blood, pls open your eye big big ha!

  • 267. meemee  |  September 20, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    wow…look at wky’s comment, it seems that SL is make alot of $$$$$$ and using the money for their own interest. How can public listed company simply use public fund ah? Does that mean they have been cheating customers by giving cheap products with low cost and charge high?
    I’m currently deciding between some companies, SL is not giving me confident anymore.

  • 268. krenda  |  September 20, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    About *Annabelle* the cousin to *Susan*. A former convict is now managing the co. x.

    Former television actress Michelle L** Li* L*n received an 18-month jail sentence yesterday for possessing cocaine, the first such conviction in Singapore. Bail of S$25,000 was allowed pending her appeal. L**, 27, received the top end of the 12- to 18-month benchmark sentence set in 1997 for first-time drug offenders. L**, who in 1997 was second runner-up in a television talent quest called Star Search, was caught with 0.27 g of cocaine at the Underground Velvet club off Kim Seng Road on Sept 30, 2000. (Straits Times 12 Mar 2002) (3)

  • 269. krenda  |  September 20, 2007 at 5:19 pm

    http://www.getforme.com/tv%20radio_newssnippets.htm

  • 270. unknown  |  September 21, 2007 at 7:02 am

    OMG!!!tat look exactly like her!!!r u sure its her? she changed her name since then is it??OMG!!
    i cant believe it…is tat why she became so huge all of a sudden?

  • 271. ex stemlie staff (victim)  |  September 21, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    I used to work with stemlie as sales exe for a short period (about 10 months) then I decided to resign. I can say internally this company has no system at all operating in CHINAMAN way instead of MNC. I remembered the first day I joined the “SO-CALLED” 4 days training programme, I was misleading by all the trainers that “baby stem cells” are curable for so MANY diseases ( I believe that’s why outsiders or ignorant mothers think that it is worth to spend RM 5K for a life securement up to 20yrs).

    The funniest part during the training was majority of office staffs (regardless from admin, account, marketing & communication) seemed like working in a very tense environment. Ladies are 24/7 with menstrual visiting them (because the way they communicated are shouting to each other and no manner at all besides treating theirs big bosses); whereas gentlemen are slightly normal. My suggestion is Stemlie should consider hire more male staffs to “NORMALISE” the level of sexual imbalance in the office. Or Stemlie can consider offer stress management class for their staffs as this company has been earning tonnes of money from business.

    Honestly speaking, I’ve never come across a single company that does not allow staffs to apply leaves except you are sick because your performance/ appraisal is justifed by how many leaves you have taken. The more leaves you have taken, the lesser the increment they are going to pay you. “Statement quoted from the lady financial manager”. To all my dear former ex bosses, please treat your current staffs nicely and humanitarian as a good company should forster a work-life balance working environment to staffs.

    Another funny part is every sales staff is foreverly given an unachievable target to hit monthly (I don’t know other’s teritory, but mine is too far to hit 30 cases per month since day 1 this company establised). And I “deserved” to receive a daily call from OM checking sales number. Well, I was irritated because he never accept any reasons given. I doubt whether he himself can achieve the set target. How I treated him eventually was I answered his calls with “EMM, YAPP, OH~~~” answers. Sometimes, I even pretend didn’t hear the phone ringing when office’s phone number shown.

    The darkness part of this job is the incentives given to nurses and doctors are better than own staff’s commission. Expectant parents, have I make myself clear why you are overly promoted by your doctors and nurses?

    Well, I think I have enough about this company and parents, please do think twice, thrice before making decision to store your baby’s cord blood with your financial status consideration and do in depth research about STEMCELLS benefits.

    Before I end my comments, I want to say that I resign because I don’t want to just making money (no doubt, commission is very attractive as compared to other industries) without conscienceness.

  • 272. OMG  |  September 24, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    Just look at the site recommended by comment 269 krenda. and it is true, isnt it?

    she even look quite like Susan & Susan’s father too.

    well, wont be surprise if SL hire ex-convict, coz i heard that even the MD’s father is also an ex-con, banned from entering Spore. If you look at their IPO prospectus, there is someone in the top management who was prosecuted and he is related in some previous companies with the top 2 ladies of SL.

    omg, how could anyone ever trust ex-cons and outlaws to run a co. which business and service require great trust from the customer….

  • 273. unknown  |  September 26, 2007 at 8:37 am

    no la OMG…dato’s L and Susan dun look like tat…
    tats just “anabelle”, cousin of susan..

  • 274. visitor  |  September 27, 2007 at 5:47 am

    At 1st when this blog was created, I was happy 2 see tat some ppl cared enough to expose the malpractise tat Co X was involved in, in the hope tat CoX would learn and not repeat the wrong practice in future, and tat the consumers would lean how to choose wisely. Today, I am disgusted 2 see tat some ppl have used this site to launch personal attack on many ppl, some for the way they act as bosses, some for the way they look and even for past crimes committed when they were young. To me all these personal attacks are very cowardly, where these ppl abuse the internet to slander and demean other ppl’s character. I do not think this was the original intention of the creator of this site. Let us all return to the objective of this site which is to reveal the truth out there in the wrongdoings/shortcuts/malpractise of CoX and others like it.

  • 275. MAma CAre  |  September 27, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    I agreed with you VISITOR..
    You are right…

  • 276. Hep B Carrier Mom  |  September 27, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    Unknown,you sound very familiar in this blog..
    like you know everything about stemcell..
    this is my first time in this blog,but I realised you are the only writters very SETIA with this blog..
    Are you EX-STEMLIFE?
    Because you know EVERYTHING about STEMLIFE???
    From the management team until all the staff..
    You know everything..
    Why dont you create the PROs and CONs about STEMLIFE…
    Can you do that for me and for others expectant mother?

  • 277. anonymous  |  September 28, 2007 at 1:14 pm

    I really don’t care about the history of parents who manages the company. As far as I am concern, father’s past business should not have anything to do with future generation. However, Stemlife should know better when they employed her family cousin with past history of drug abuse. I cannot conceive any companies being managed by someone with a history of drug abuse especially a company that is involved in health care! I think this is so wrong and if stemlife have any senses, they should ask her to resign.

  • 278. unknown  |  September 29, 2007 at 6:00 am

    hi hep-b carrier mom.yes,im an ex-staff of SL..i think other ppl also quite setia with this blog..but they keep changing their nickname..as for me,i just stick to this nickname..nothing to do at work so browse this blog lor..
    u wanna know pros n cons bout SL,u can click on the 10 reasons tab…and also more reasons…
    its quite sufficient to u to know bout the company..despite all their unethical doings in the lab, i must say, as a person, i still solute to Shar**. for a young girl to manage a company, she is a real capable girl…

  • 279. Dr.WHO  |  October 2, 2007 at 12:13 pm

    I was wondering what the gynae will think about all this. Should they have the responsibility to inform their patients about the potential riak of storing their cord blood with company X? If something were to happen to their cord blood, say cross contamination, will they turn back on their gynae and sue them in the future for not informing them about such a risk?

  • 280. cordbloodx  |  October 3, 2007 at 1:42 am

    thanks for the info..got to know this issue when reading news today..almost signed for it for my first baby recently..alhamdulillah not..i hardly understand some medical terms u are using but the fact that a mesdaq company investing in money market by that sum is just ridiculous because i think this is R&D industry…i checked the fact and it supports your point that i shouldn’t get engaged with this sort of company..

  • 281. Hopeless Romantic  |  October 3, 2007 at 9:37 am

    Live and let die, worrying and hating will only speed up your journey to death.

  • 282. kepochi  |  October 3, 2007 at 9:47 am

    hi..did u read the business section of NST today?it seems SL has lodge a police report over this blog..

  • 283. gunner  |  October 3, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    if this is the truth and nothing but the truth,
    i urge you to lodge a report to MOH, police
    and the securities commission. That way the
    public can be made aware and protected.

  • 284. Anonymous  |  October 4, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    Why only reported in NST. They should report in other newspaper so that ppl know about this!!! That will bring more awareness to this website.

  • 285. Sincere Heart  |  October 4, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    cordbloodx,

    U r so smart! not like some people, still can believe to such company. Gong Gong one!!!

    kepochi,

    Then how? any action from MATAR?

  • 286. Sincere Heart  |  October 4, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    Dr WHO,

    Most of the “GYNEA” eye only can see “$$$$$”. Do they really care? Agree?

  • 287. kepochi  |  October 5, 2007 at 4:45 am

    lodge police report only ma..what can the police do?
    the article says that because SL is questioned by the docs and shareholders regarding some info from this blog…tats why they lodge the report..n planning to take legal action on this cyber smear…

  • 288. Sincere Heart  |  October 6, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    never do never scare lo!

  • 289. Confused  |  October 8, 2007 at 11:22 am

    Hi, my baby is due in 3 weeks and I almost signed upwith Co.X last week. Luckily, the appointment was postponed at the last minute. I read about this site in NST and now I have the chance to make an informed decision.

    2 issues I have thoroughly considered after reading this blog:

    1. Any need to store my baby’s cord blood?
    To be fair, my gynae advise me not to store the cord blood (not all docs are greedy and unethical!) as the techo is new and it’s not well regulated here yet.

    Although the stemcell technology is still new, I have faith that it will improve in leaps and bound in thr future. Just take a look at the current science and medical advancement as compared to 20 years ago. Furthermore the storage fee of 2-5k is not that much – I’ll consider that an insurance for my baby for peace of mind. Like all insurance, we hope we will never need to make a claim, but when we do, we’ll be glad that we have this insurance in the first place.

    2. To store with which co?
    I was shocked to read what is said about Co.X on this blog. At first I was quite impressed w Co.X after visiting their lab and office 2 months ago. Although the staff told me that they store hep B blood, it did not raise an alarm with me (pardon my ignorant!) untill i read about the danger of that from this site.

    I don’t know much about Co.CC cos they do not have flyers at the hospital that I go (maybe Co.X ‘s staff threw that away??). Tried searching on the web but their site is down. Also trying to find some honest 3rd party opinion about CC but dunno where to find.

    Could anyone help me on this? Pls help me cos I’m so confused, and panicky cos my baby is due in 3 weeks. Thanks!

  • 290. Confused  |  October 8, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    One more question, what is the name of the 3rd cord blood bank? I googled and can only find stemlife and cryocord.

  • 291. Sincere Heart  |  October 8, 2007 at 5:24 pm

    Confused,

    Go to buy Mommy baby or parenthood magazine. You will know the 3rd cord Blood Bank.

  • 292. guest  |  October 9, 2007 at 1:58 am

    Confused, I heard tat 3rd bank is storing hep B as well or planning in future.

  • 293. Anonymous  |  October 9, 2007 at 11:10 am

    Mommy baby magazine has got a flyer of com CC on their front cover.

  • 294. anti-guest  |  October 9, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    i think ur wrong miss guest…i stored my boy’s cord blood with the 3rd bank..n they are very strict with their storage and do not store infected cord blood…
    this blog is use by competitors to point the gun at each other…at the end of the we mothers do our own homework n use wisdom to choose…

  • 295. guest  |  October 10, 2007 at 12:42 am

    anti-guest…when u store your boys cord blood, the 3rd bank very strict, but now, it seems they may change policy (money maa!!!). FYI i am not from any competitor as u claim.

  • 296. Stemlie vs Stemlife  |  October 11, 2007 at 4:05 pm

    For your information, those of you who think that stemlie provide proper adult stemcell treatment.. THINK AGAIN!! Apparently they kill someone following so called stem cell treatment. The patient died in his hotel room. Those ppl who stored their peripheral blood have all been conned! To get proper stem cell, you have to take them from bone marrow. If not you need to be injected with multiple drugs whcih stemlife don’t do. You might as well take your own blood and store them.

  • 297. Pioneer  |  October 12, 2007 at 3:05 am

    Stemlie vs Stemlife…you’re shitting me right? Someone actually died?

  • 298. Question  |  October 12, 2007 at 3:06 am

    Comment #296: Btw do you have any link to justify your claim or is this a mere rumour?

    I am questioning your comment because I thot that a stemcell bank only is responsible for storing the stemcell. It is the doc who is suppose to carry out the treatment and any treatment there should be risk associated with it. How nice if everything were 100% gurantee?

  • 299. News  |  October 12, 2007 at 8:16 am

    #296 & #298:

    I heard there are two ppls done the stem cells treatment on their heart, initial stage everything was acceptable but after two months, both of them died. How can promise the results? As like Dato’ Chua mentioned in the Newspaper few weeks ago, the Stem Cells specialist traeted the CP chidren and charge the RN25K perinjection, and they need to have 3 injections. Then, no result show improvement at all. Then, what can we claims on that? They trust the so call specialists and willing to take the risk and also able to pay the money.

  • 300. Sincere Heart  |  October 12, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    Guest,

    You are definately wrong! The 3rd Company still very strict. They do not store infected cord blood. My husband’s friend was rejected by them recently coz his wife is HEP B carrier. And he turn to SL then signed up.
    Don’t try to say something if you never find out.

  • 301. passerby  |  October 12, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    actually,i heard the 3rd co. take in hep B carrier case.but they will quarantine it for 6 months and do the test again…
    after 6 months, if positve hep B, then the processing fees will be forfeited and they will discard ur sample..
    wen i heard this, i think this co. is very silly…who would wanna risk their processing fee if its 50% at risk of being forfeited?

  • 302. Stan  |  October 12, 2007 at 5:10 pm

    Stemlie,
    How is the Chinese translation going? If you could provide us with an update, that would be great!

  • 303. guest  |  October 16, 2007 at 2:55 am

    Sincere Heart, refer to #301. I’m wrong?? Do your homework!!!!!

  • 304. curious  |  October 16, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    Refer to #301, it just show that a stem cell bank can change their minds in the future. They can claim that they reject Hep now but in the future they may want to accept. What can you do then?

  • 305. Hong  |  October 17, 2007 at 6:16 pm

    i had refered by my friend who had signed up with cyrocord to look at this website. But i signed up with a stemlife because their male sales rep was great! Almost in everything i could had said. During consultation, my friend who signed up with cyrocord was sitting beside me together and even himself impress on how that boy carry himself and oso his explaination toward stem cell banking during the whole consultation. Totally no criticism towards other stem cell bank, yet he still managed to sign me up. During the saturday antenatal talk, he had done a great job too. Its was long session but everything had been explained nicely and clear. But i realized recently he had left the company for some reasons. whatever reason it’s i would hope that if anyone from stemlife that had read through this can get me the contact detail of the sales rep, so that in future i can still keep in touch with him. Though i had signed up and haven’t deliver yet, i think everything may be just fine. Too bad for losing such a great employee i would say that.

  • 306. nameless  |  October 21, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    Hong:you sign up just because of the sales rep? If he is from the other company means you will sign up with that company also? Though you should look at the company profile and what kind of services they will provide to decide which company to choose?
    Or you just fall in love with that boy? hahahahaha……

  • 307. mommy  |  November 18, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    hi.i just got back from my monthly check-up.a sales girl passed me a brouchure.i’ve never seen tat brouchure before.i think its a new stem cells company.stem tech international.as i was reading the leaflet,there’s something i dont really understand.wat is this AXP thermogensis about?anybody can enlightened me?actually i think i came across this in some magazine.there was an ad with a large tube of blood. and it stated something bout AXP.was wondering if anyone here knows about it?

  • 308. Across Causeway  |  November 19, 2007 at 6:16 pm

    What happens if the patient is Hepatitis B positive?

    As far as the Hepatitis B results are concerned, if your patient is Antibody Positive (HBc), the umbilical cord blood can be processed and stored. However if she is Antigen Positive, we need to determine whether it’s surface or envelop (HBs or HBeAg).

    If it is both HBs and HBeAg, the blood is highly contagious and will be considered on a case-by-case basis.
    Source: http://www.cordlife.com/sg/faq/mp_faq.php

  • 309. Dr.Who  |  November 20, 2007 at 1:35 am

    If you are hepatitisB positive and HBsAg is a standard test (BASED ON MATERNAL BLOOD) used by all cord blood banks except compX, you simply do not store the blood. This is non-negotiable and no way you can consider it on a case by case basis. YOU DON”T STORE HEP B POSITIVE CASES> PERIOD!!!!

  • 310. Across Causeway  |  November 20, 2007 at 3:49 am

    Dr WHO: Your point is right. contaminated sample is also not going to be used by future transplant doctor. No point saving a patient by a successful Stem Cell transplant but recipient later died of Hepatitis.

    therefore, it will be better not to store cordblood if you are HBs and HBeAg positive.

    How abt those who are having positive anti-HBc? What is your advice?
    If company X doesn’t provide maternal blood testing, Can we obtain our Hepatitis B condition from our O&G?

  • 311. waverly  |  November 20, 2007 at 9:43 am

    i pregnant now. i read all the comments and stories from everybody.
    and i told by both C company about this blog.
    actually, i running my own business as in service line as well,. from my point of view, when a company doing business sucessfully, sure the competitors will make rumours, story etc to strike their customers and reputation.
    it is stupid to use this tactics and to bad mouth the company.
    sure every people who read this blog is know who is the person to create this.
    and the info you all discuss e.g: hep B, maternal blood, is wrong. my husband is a pharmacist and he knew some doctors to clarify the issues to me.

    further, a listed company have to report every single things and matters to KLSE, SC. if the company really do wrongly as what you all discuss, sure the government will freeze them. but i read from stocks exchange their business is running so well.

    from my business opinion, competitiors have to improve on their own how to get business. not bad mouth others and make rumours.

    i won’t store my baby cord blood with those bad ethics company.

  • 312. concerned  |  November 21, 2007 at 10:22 am

    just for everyone info..

    Stock code 0137 has been performing badly since beginning of Aug..you may testify this against any klse historical data/chart. Secondly, volume of this stock traded daily is simply pathetic..Take a look and you will know this is not a good counter to trade on for the time being..

  • 313. concerned  |  November 22, 2007 at 5:52 am

    Latest news from the Star:
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    Dr Chua also announced the Cabinet’s decision to disallow the future setting up of private cord blood banks because while it was a new service with huge potential to treat specific diseases, there were still ethical issues to be scrutinised.

    He said the existing centres would have to apply for a licence from the ministry within the next two months and would be registered under the Private Healthcare Facilities and Services Act 1998.

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@2

  • 314. Sincere Heart  |  November 23, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    waverly,
    If both C company never told you about this blog, will u know about it? Sometime telling doesn’t mean bad mouth, it can be passing information. Even yr husband can get the clarification from doctors also doesn’t mean doctors are telling the truth! What you should do is find out more about what both company C can provide to you and what’s are the strong points they have.
    Remember, a professional in one industry doesn’t mean he know everything. As O & G doesn’t know all about company “X”.

  • 315. Dr.Who  |  November 27, 2007 at 4:37 am

    Across causeway,
    Anti-HBc usually mean an infection in very remote past or low-level hep B carrier. As far as I know most people don’t use this test for blood banking as I can be non-specific.

  • 316. Across Causeway  |  November 28, 2007 at 5:34 pm

    Dr Who,

    Thanks you for taking time to reply to my question.

    As for the rest, will you consider donating cord blood instead of paying a fee to store it? Treat it like blood donation. By increasing the number of cord blood units in the public cord blood bank, it increases the likelihood for somebody to find a match. And who knows, you might ended up being the person that has to turn to the public cord blood bank looking for a compatible cord blood unit.

    However, public cord blood banks has very strict rules and criteria, if you are not unable to fulfill their criteria, you will not be allow to bank with them.

  • 317. TheCrow  |  December 7, 2007 at 3:44 am

    Can Hep blood be stored together in the same lab as other blood?

    You can do the below;

    1. Ask doctors who specializes in surgery – “Will you recommend the usage of cord blood contaminated with Hep B or C in any medical emergencies?”

    2. Ask “Will you recommend the usage of cord blood processed or stored within a lab that also stores contaminated with Hep B or C, in any medical emergencies?”

    Get different opinion from different doctors. See what they say about the usage of cord blood in these 2 situations.

  • 318. AA  |  December 10, 2007 at 5:40 am

    I think the use of hepB and C cases not onlt cause problem for patient who are negative and store in same lab but can also potentially results i risk for those processing the blood and those people handling and giving the blood to the others.

  • 319. store?  |  December 11, 2007 at 2:21 pm

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    I simply can’t wait for stem cell industry to be governed by private hospital act..let us see how they (stem cell co management) will take it…

    public listed…iso certified…international & prfosseional company…NONSENSE ALL..
    because no relevant authority (health) really really check on them now
    it just paper exercise & gimmick to make consumer confused…

    do not believe me but go n find out…

  • 321. MOH  |  December 21, 2007 at 11:50 am

    one more thing….MSC Status

  • 322. consumer  |  January 10, 2008 at 2:34 am

    to whoeve mothers out there…when u sign up with company cc or sl, did u receive any policy or sign any forms for the medical insurance?
    i’ve signed up with co. csi last year..n up till now i have not received any news on my insurance policy…im getting quite worried…i have a feeling that it might be all just a gimmick to get me sign up…also, when i asked to visit their second location they try to push me away…

  • 323. xerius  |  March 2, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    wahsei .. after so many months since i last visited, there’s still comments on-going. I used to work for 1 of 3 existing (maybe 4 now?) company. Had to leave due to political reasons though.

    When I consulted my clients, I treat them with full respects and fully inform them of all the information I was given. When I joined, a senior sales person gave me an advice : inform your clients what is right, and do not overpromised. Hence, I always choose my words correctly, and I let my clients decide on two things : 1 – to store or not to store, 2 – if you decided to store, which company would you choose.

    Most of my interested clients chose to store with company abc, because I managed to explain all the pros and cons of either company’s method of storage. Those who did not sign up with me, and chose the other company, I still make it a point to congratulate them on making a choice to store their baby’s cord blood.

    From my not too long experience in this field, my advice would be simple :

    * make up your mind if you would like to store your baby’s cord blood (includes finding facts from the internet, googling is such a great way to obtain it)

    * choose the company which you have the most faith in (although, i should say, none of the existing companies in malaysia are ethical .. lolz. this is actually a conclusion made after doing a few cross references from every company’s staffs, either current or ex)

    * if needed, get everything documented and ask for a specific timeline for documentations. you’re paying for a service, demand for clarification on every issue you’re in doubt with.

    * even though the salesperson can be the key deciding factor to your decision, don’t be overwhelmed by their professionalism and hence you sign up with company a/b/c. get back to the company background.

    Your focus would be which of the companies in Malaysia is able to provide a reliable after sales service, and provides the most appropriate way in handling your baby’s cord blood. Cord blood bank laboratories aren’t the only ones with unethical issues and malpractices. Even government hospital blood banks may have stored diseased blood with clean ones prior to all the screenings done on the sample, which brings to the possibilities of cross contamination.

    When you’re done with it, and signed up, just pray that should you need the stem cells for treatment, they are still viable and free from contamination. Everything else is in the hands of god. When you made your choices, live with all the consequences which comes along. You paid for a biological insurance, but no one can guarantee you success, cos to err is human.

    Deal or no deal ? You make your choices. lolz .. good luck to all parents yeah.

  • 324. OMG  |  March 13, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    comsumer, about the insurance policy, what you should do is to check it out directly with the insurance company that offer the policy to you and not the cord blood company if you ever found them unreliable. I believe the insurance company can lend you a hand.

    about the company you mentioned, doesnt it sound to you that their second location may not exist at all? you may hear of rumours of MOH wanted to regulate this industry and that they only approved 3 companies. So which 3?……..

  • 325. AA  |  March 19, 2008 at 7:29 am

    Yeah, if you don’t receive any cert from insurance company, then it is most likely that you are not insured! Better check it out.

  • 326. consumer  |  March 19, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    hi OMG and AA.i called HLA and they told me that their insurance package is still under “wip” (work in progress)..they didnt really want to comment much but told me that on their side, nothing is finalized yet…
    so this actually means that CSI is cheating their customers…i should have followed my gutt instinct…i found it weird that the agreement did not state anything bout the medical insurance…

  • 327. OMG  |  March 23, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    as a matter of fact, you should find out from the few companies that offer the similar services before deciding, then it will be fair to you as a consumer.

    however, if you are not totally satisfy, then you may just deal direct with the company’s management or else matter had to be settled with consumer tribunal or seek for advise from consumer association.

  • 328. Calk  |  March 24, 2008 at 4:37 am

    I just signed up to company CC on yesterday at the exhibition in PWTC after some research from this blog and other websites including all 4 companies website..below are my comments:-
    – SL: lots of people visited their booth, not sure how many had signed up. guess their selling points will be.. RM800 package which is cheapest for some people. But if drop them due to the bad reputation as I don’t feel they are professional beside they looks like some PC fair chicks flying all around.. Anyway, one main reason why I drop them off is because of they don’t do mother blood test. Others will be their payment terms, seen to be suka suka what also can.. which I feel uneasy as this sound unprofessional and no standard. A company providing this type of service should have high priority on QUALITY and not just cost. Ask yourself, are you willing to pay RM800 for nothing and what is the purpose you store the stem cell? Also dont have AXP machine process..
    – CSI: funny name and don’t have much booklet to distribute, not even their website. Very desperte until I scare of those aunty there. They did do mother blood check, but due to they are the only company yet to get MOH cert and they are new, so we drop them. also they don’t have AXP machine process..
    – ST: New company, they do have AXP machine for process but they are very new(since Sept’08) even though back by some sort of famours maternity specialist. But due to the urgency, they are drop from the list.
    – CC: the only one company I feel they are professional and encourage us to compare with other companies. they are not as desperate as other companies even though they are still desperate. They provide us with the most information that we need to consider, know and understand but not the other company. Their facilities seen to be better with new AXP machine in used since end last year(Not claim by SL company that those who have machine must be old and not efficient blah blah blah), I trust this as this is show on the newsletter else they will be sue. With this few criteria, it is actually very easy to make a decision on which one to go for..

    Things to consider:-
    – Machine? (CC or ST)
    – Mother blood test? (CC or CSI)
    – History in Malaysia market?(SL or CC)
    – Chepest? (SL with vials)
    – Professional?(CC or ST)
    – Dual location?(CSI)
    – facilities stable?(CC I think)

    Anyway, as I said, if you think of storing your bb stem cell, should always think of their service(mother blood test is mandatory for me), quality, professional and company stability. so it is rather easy to make a decision on which company to go for.

    One thing I think all those companies should learn from is, they should not hire chicks for this type of promotion for consultant(the one who work for me at least got bachelor of molecular technology) or pasar aunty(in particular the CSI). Else it will just scare away all potential client.

    Few things which should be prepared before you sign up:-
    – Get to know everything in detail in terms of process which should be generic for all companies.
    – Understand what is each companies selling points.
    – Define what are those things which is critical to you and your family(set your criteria)
    – look for those company which meet your requirement. very Simple.

  • 329. Calk  |  March 24, 2008 at 4:41 am

    For those who have potential risk of Hep.B or C, guess what in their mind perhaps will be trying their luck..who know in the future, there is a way to cure those disease or screen off from stem cell or something..which may not be an issue to use the stored stem cell..then they will still would like to keep..but those bank should consider risk which will affect other no risk stem cell through different lab or storage tank or more precaution method on handling those samples..else I don’t think they are professional.. a person who are indeep want to do this business for long term will put lots of effort to keep the business in quality and not just making short term $ and perhaps close shop one day where you can’t even sue the owner.. Just my two cents.. 🙂

  • 330. Mother_to_be  |  April 7, 2008 at 8:01 am

    Thanks Calk for the wonderful and completed informations! Now, I know what shall I do & who shall I choice then!!!

  • 331. Regret+Outdated  |  April 8, 2008 at 4:19 am

    All, please advice me what shall i do as i have stored my baby CBSC with company SL one year ago! Shall I transfer to other company?

  • 332. DOUBT  |  April 9, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    To REgret+outdated,

    If you really want to transfer ur baby CBSC, my advice for u is better check wt the bank that you want to transfer your CBSC to. because SL is the only co. that does not take maternal blood. I m doubt other co. will accept it as it wil risk other “no-risk” stem cells.

    and also, the other co. would not take risk too because they also worry hematologist or oncologist dont want to use the CBSC as no maternal blood report. if this happen, it will spoilt the co. reputation.

    so, is better u check wt other bank before transfer it.

  • 333. OMG  |  April 11, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Calk, back to the issue on insurance policy provided by all 4 companies, i think it is only CC which is still offering GE insurance, whereas SL didnt confirm of their insurance package and neither CSI offer to explain the present position it is with HLG insurance package, and ST they dont have any to offer…

    so clearly another thing to consider too. I guess being such a big grp like GE, they will not simply cooperate with an unknown, unethical co. or else it will tainted their good name/reputation and corp figure. I believe.

  • 334. OMG  |  April 11, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Regret and outdated,

    I think Doubt could be right, you can’t simply request to transfer being the fact that other companies may not accept blood samples which didnt follow their own protocol and to store foreign samples may expose other samples stored with potential risk.

    If any bank is willing to accept your sample, you may ask them why can they accept and based on what ground. How it is done and where will the transferred sample be stored. Will they be able to check if the stem cells still alive.

    My own advise is “Do things right the first time and every time and you wont have any regrets”. So to you, the best deal for you is to give birth to another baby and store the next stem cells sample with the one organisation that you have countercheckd, done thorough due diligence, done cross reference and yet still feel very comfortable with.

    Like Calk mentioned, consider all those things on the list, and get the best out of that, you wont go too wrong.

    Wish you have another god pregnancy. For the better population of Msia.

  • 335. OMG  |  April 11, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    CALK,

    Another thing ponders me most is after all what we paid for is to have the professional company to collect and store our baby stem cells for us. It is that Quality and viability is utmost important to us.

    Cheapest price doesnt really means good and affordable, it may become costlier if the parents ever found out later that if the stem cells samples are not properly stored, contaminated, not alive, not enough volume, or unable to use in transplant. Then the most possible regret we will face is in the later life when we are desparate to use the sample for life saving but the samples failed us and defeat its purpose. This is the most scary to me as we can’t tell until we need to use it (and hopefully not)

    ‘Its better to be safe than sorry’ as one said. So consumer must know what they are paying for. Just like you can’t compare a China made QiQi car (below RM20k) with a Toyota made mini car (RM50k) or a German made Mini Cooper (RM250k). Its about the same size range but price is such a big differrence. Which product will you choose? Even if i am not rich, I will still pay for the Toyota as it’s reliable and rather than to own the China QiQi mini car. Certainly it will be best if we can afford the German Mini Cooper. Dont you think?

  • 336. alternative perspective  |  April 11, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Trust me, as far as concerned, the regulation overseeing cord blood banking in Malaysia is not established as mature enough. This means there is a tendency for companies to “malpractice” as there is no universal proper guideline and accredidation body to regulate all local cord blood banks. These banks are just trying to comply international body’s standard (e.g AABB) as much as possible, but they can’t be sure at all – as none have gotten AABB accreditation to date.

    As most should have known, the relevance of ISO is just on the cleanliness of the lab, NOT their practise (there is hardly a body which periodically regulate/audit each company’s lab practises in Malaysia) hence you can’t be assured of the quality of their service. Yes, there are examinations and reports performed by other neutral parties hired by the companies, but they do not perform ALL the tests themselves. There could be low cell count but yet the result of the report (copy for customers)could be manipulated too. After all, they didn’t attach along the actual result printed by the cell count machines to customers’ copy right? Besides, some are known to manually enumerate the cell counts – which is subject to more human error.

    Aside from the company mentioned in this blog, one of the companies is known not to have obtained MOH license yet and DO NOT have the insurance ready as they promised in their brochures (in other words, cheating your money). But they carry on business as usual, do you think you can trust them?

    Parents shouldn’t over worry about not being able to store their baby’s cord blood stem cells.

  • 337. alternative perspective  |  April 11, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    to consumer:

    “i’ve signed up with co. csi last year..n up till now i have not received any news on my insurance policy…im getting quite worried…i have a feeling that it might be all just a gimmick to get me sign up…also, when i asked to visit their second location they try to push me away…”

    Yes, they DO NOT HAVE INSURANCE POLICY UP YET and EVERYTHING IS JUST A GIMMICK like you said

  • 338. alternative perspective  |  April 11, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    One more point to add, guess what? one of the companies’ lab is currently undergoing re-renovation again (of all the decisions, the management of the company should have been sure of everything that is needed for the lab before they started the business, how is it like having your stem cells managed by these bunch of idiots?). I wonder how are they going to handle all the previously stored samples and the viability of those stem cells.

  • 339. concerned  |  April 15, 2008 at 1:53 am

    Hi alternative perspective,

    care to share which Co. is that? CC has already got the cert by MOH, left with CSI/SL ? Would be great if you could reveal which one ? It has a relevant here as I’ve stored mine with CSI last year..

  • 340. paserby  |  April 15, 2008 at 4:30 am

    hi concerned…i hear said that CSI is d only cord blood bank in Msia that does not has an approved license from MOH..tats why they are renovating their lab..hoping to meet MOH’s standard when they re-apply for the license…wat an ABC-fly-by-night company..

  • 341. mother-to-be  |  April 15, 2008 at 5:00 am

    Is it just me or are some of these banks sales representatives getting so desperate for sales that they are irritating people like me? I had one staff that literally was trying to corner me and get my contact number. I even had a friend who told me that the said reps were trying to hard sell her whilst she was being wheeled into the labour room! Reminded me of those credit card sales people. To the bosses of that listed company, stop it! It is bordering on desperation and it shows how unprofesional you are.

    Thanks to those “aggresive” sales tactics, I have decided to sign up with the other company CC as they are less pushy, more profesional and take more time to answer my concerns, rather than bad mouthing the competitors.

  • 342. Calk  |  April 15, 2008 at 9:18 am

    To OMG. Yes and I agreed with what you had said above. It is always depends on your affordability and for sure if someone told you that if you buy potong car, for sure you will die on the road one day then I don’t think you will buy that kind of car and rather just walk and save more money to buy one car which maybe able to give you 50/50 chance than the 100%. Anyway, I plan to visit the cc facilities probably sometime in the weekend together with some of my colleague..this does not mean anything to me now as I had signed out with them but it is important to keep their quality as else they won’t be able to secured more business..You know, you hired a security guard most of the time is not to catch the thief but at least it is always better than nothing.. As I said earlier..choice is limited now..so we will go to the one that we can afford and best among other in the market at this moment.. and guess this should not be too hard to make such decision.. Another two cents from me 🙂

  • 343. Calk  |  April 15, 2008 at 9:22 am

    For the insurance policy.. I plan to go for other insurance company which offer life insurance that cover for SC transplant which is the higher cost item.. as this will have value if nothing happened better than those term life offer.. but guess will have to spend time looking around.. this insurance thing is always tricky..so just got to clarify with black and white plus formal letter from those insurance company.. Of coz everybody will not hope to use those compensation but rather have some saving for the baby on their future education fund..Just my two cents 🙂

  • 344. alternative perspective  |  April 17, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    “Hi alternative perspective,

    care to share which Co. is that? CC has already got the cert by MOH, left with CSI/SL ? Would be great if you could reveal which one ? It has a relevant here as I’ve stored mine with CSI last year..”

    I am so sorry to reveal it harshly. It is CS-I. I doubt stemlie is any better anyway. FYI, CS-I’s chairman “Dr” F is a geologist, not some qualified person to give opinions (if you check the website for his profile). He just wants to show his face in the newspaper.

    Seriously like Calk mentioned, just go for insurance policy that covers stem cells transplant, rather than going for the insurance the stem cells banks offer. You don’t even know the clause entailed inside, there could be a loop hole – who knows? these are local chinaman companies. Certain insurance companies that are trying to collaborate with these stem cell banks are worried of their own reputation, fearing that these banks are another fraud.

  • 345. cc customer  |  April 30, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    I stored my baby cord blood with cc on march 08. the reason i choose is the quality of sample( as the sales people promise tome , she said AXP better than manual coz can get more cells) I choose the AXP method. But now I m so regret, the volume collect is 42.5ml but the cells just 211.2 millions.

    so disappointed, wanna cancel agreement oso cant liao.

    What AXP??? Doesnt give a promise. After my incident, I online checking, the AXP method not means every time can get 90 over % each times. Got some terms and conditions. But the sales people didnt mention clearly.

  • 346. alternative perspective  |  April 30, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Dear cc customer, the very industry of cord blood stem cells storage is barely regulated well enough, lots of breach against ethics code if you ask, as compared to other countries.

    Yes, there is definitely no guarantee over AXP delivering over 90% stem cells recovery. It is stem cells you are talking about and hence their viability is very sensitive, depending on many factors. Hence, by right there should never be any form of hard selling/ gimnicks/ advertisements on which company is better. You can almost take the parenthood/mamababy magazine and sue cc already with the result not matching what they claimed.

    Sad to say, many parents fall prey to emotional fear created by these stem cells banks which sole objective is just to scrap as much money out from you.

    Don’t get me wrong, there is definitely benefit storing your baby’s cord blood stem cells, but it is just simply overrated and over-commercialised -which ideally shouldn’t be. The ideal situation should be everyone storing in public stem cells bank, but there is no guarantee of self retrieval for own usage and hence many “kiasu” “selfish” people opted to store for themselves. If everyone store in the public bank, and the public registry is well established then definitely everyone can benefit from it.

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  • 359. Confused  |  June 17, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    I found this website 3 weeks before my baby was due and i was panicky cos i’ve already decided on SL at that time. After reading all the negative comments, I questioned the the sales advisor, to which she gave me satisfactory answer. E.g. blood test on mother is not done cos if mother is carrier of hep b does not mean the baby will be a carrier also. But they will test on the cord blood itself which is more relevant. (Dunno how correct is that explanantion) . But to her credit, she was quite professional, patient and not pushy at all.

    I also attempted to check on other companies but there are many negative feedback on them also. I was running out of time and so confused. In the end , I stick back to SL. I suppose they may not be perfect but not that bad either.

    Anyhow, for my next child, I’ll opt for another company cos i do not want to put all eggs in 1 basket.

  • 360. Confused  |  June 17, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    To alternative perspective,
    I disagree that parents who opt to store the stemcells themselves are kiasu and selfish. When you are a parent, you’d want the best for yr child, at whatever cost. Honestly, who will be so selfless and think of storing their bb’s stemcells at public bank so that it will benefit those who really need it? do u trust the public stemcell bank? when your bb do need them, is there a guarantee that a matching one will be available?

  • 361. science graduate  |  June 27, 2008 at 1:51 am

    i’ve worked in one of these private cord blood banks b4..i graduated in pure science..my comment to everyone is, yes, the stem cell technology is fantastic..but the problem is, in m’sia, this industry is still at an infancy stage..there are many grey areas..it will take time b4 acts are implemented with very specific clause regarding stem cells..as u know,things tat are still at a research stage causes hesitance among docs..ask ur gynea whether if he/she has a new born, will they themselves store d cord blood?

  • 362. workaholics  |  June 27, 2008 at 4:36 am

    To Confused,

    There is currently no rules and regulations in Malaysia about cord blood banking. All the private bank registered follows their own protocols thts y there are so many differences between all of them. I was told by my consultant from the other company tht since there is no rules n regulations in Malaysia company CC follows AABB rules that Maternal blood testing is compulsary. She also told me tht if mother is a hep B carrier baby might not has it but also there is a possibility baby will has it. I have chosen company CC due to the fact tht they follow international rules. I also think tht if maternal blood testing is not essential why they spend money to do it and also the most important thing is tht SL started doing it recently. If last time they think tht it is not important y they starts doin it now? I paid RM500 to SL to cancel my contract with them. I believed paying RM500 more to cancel is better than in the future when I wanna use it for my baby it is contaminated with hep B and the entire RM5000 tht i paid is burnt.

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  • 364. alternative perspective  |  July 22, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    “if mother is a hep B carrier baby might not has it but also there is a possibility baby will has it.”

    I agree to that statement, but the possibility is VERY HIGH. I don’t mean to scare/ discourage parents/ mothers to be, but it is simply a fact that when the mother contacted Hep B, the chances of the virus passing through the placenta to the baby during birth is very high (as read in an article to be around 90%). Because virus is very small in molecular size hence it can easily cross the barrier in the placenta to the new born.

    Hence, taking both maternity and cord blood test IS COMPULSORY in AABB guideline to ensure that the blood is “clean”. I take no personal offense against any stem cells bank rep, but no matter how wonderfully presented, facts can’t be changed…the truth is harsh, I understand. Sorry for that

    To Confused:

    Sorry for putting it harshly that parents who opt to store their baby stem cells are kiasu. I was hasty in that. There is no doubt in stem cell therapy’s capability, but at the same time it is waaay overrated and twisted by businesses. It is a clear fact that cord blood stem cells infusion is not the current mainline therapy simply because of the inadequacy and irregularity of the cord blood stem cells. Its current indication is only mainly for blood related disease such as leukemia and perphaps thalasemia. Clinical trials have been conducted on several rare diseases but they were not properly regulated and hence even the few positive outcomes cannot be used as ground to alter current therapy practices.

    The reason I say storing your baby’s cord blood stem cells has minimal benefit because the chances of your baby needing it is very little. Don’t you find that every article you came across of children receiving cord blood transplants are usually from outside sources (other ppl’s donated cord blood). Maybe you could use that article in star newspaper to claim that siblings helped her, I have no arguments against that. But there ain’t any more cases of sotring and using your own baby’s cord blood. Out of the approx 15k samples stored in Malaysia so far, only 1-2 had been proved useful. It is entirely the parents’ decision. Probably getting a donor may be equally time efficient.

  • 365. stem cells for the future  |  August 18, 2008 at 10:16 am

    you are all missing the point!
    Stem cells are good for the future, noy only for diseases of the bone marrow you can treat today (more than 72). Chances to need your stem cells before age 20 are (as accepted by the ACOG: American College of Obstericians and Gynecologists in February 2008) one in 2700 for current indications, that is diseases of the bone marrow. Now what the future bring is another story as witnessed by treating diabetes type I using own cord blood in Florida in March 2008 (published Experimental Hematology 03/2008). The ACOG recognizes the existence of public and private banks and advises the dr to mention cord blood banking (some states have legislation to oblige drs and hospitals.

    There has never been a published report in the literature of hepatitis transmission in liquid Nitrogen vapour phase tanks(StemLife) only in liquid Nitrogen (others) so the risk is non existant.

    Public banks will never be able to have samples for every single one of us as there is no budget from governments on this and public banks sell the donated samples that they have received forfree at 17,000 $US in the US or 23,000 Euro in Europe. The thing is that public banks also make money on donated samples to finance their existence. Understand that donated samples can ONLY be used for bone marrow diseases and belong to the public bank. Private samples belong to you and can be used for bone marrow diseases in the owner or the family AND FOR FUTURE USES! Latest data from the American Society of Bone Marrow Tranplantation calculate the lifetime probability to need stem cells to 1 in 217 up to age 70 (1in 434 need own stem cells and 1 in 400 need someone else’s) but looking at Australian and NZ statistics of 12 years (1992-2004) on where the stem cells used in trasplantations were found then the answer is in more than 80% those were own orfamily stem cells and less than 20% unrelated. At the end of the road, when you need stem cells you will find them with your family or from yourself.

    What company? Trust only those that have released stem cells regardless of accreditation. AABB not the standard. The standard is FACT (Federation forthe Accreditation of Cellular Therapy). We are talking Stem Cells not blood!

    The issue should not be whether to store or not! Stem Cells must be stored that is for sure. If you can afford it, find a company that you trust and has a track record in using samples stored with them and have thousands of customers. It cannot be wrong if tens of thousands trust them.

    Good Luck

  • 366. talk is CHEAP  |  September 24, 2008 at 3:15 pm

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    Y u get so REACTED? sound like u r stemlife staff.
    what happen if i can find u the black and white journal regarding the hep B cross contamination case in a tank? (as u said it has never been a published report on that!!) check internet before u said it out. I can attach it in this blog if i know how to do it.

  • 367. Busy Mama  |  September 30, 2008 at 4:54 pm

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    Ya! Ya! agreed with u. sound like SL’s staff lo! BTW, can u attach the b&w journal regarding the Hep B cross contamination? Interested to know.

  • 368. Busy Daddy  |  October 7, 2008 at 7:45 am

    wowww…….i about to sign up with SL since my HM keep asking and so ‘kan cheong’ about this matter….need to re-think again!!!

  • 369. kevin csi 0162809228  |  October 13, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    Hi all, I just join this company CSI blood bank and found that technology nowadays compared to “those days” are definately growing at an amazing pace. With the HOPE of a better tomorrow, preparing for future is really some kinda “BET” as some highly educated Doctor may say. As it may be a 50:50 deal.
    but to some 50% chances compared to zero is just the next best deal anyone can have, ” at this current technology “. it is still a worthwhile try to some. I personally belief if we can send human to moon walk, anything is possible, it is just a matter of TIME.

  • 370. Kevin CS  |  October 31, 2008 at 5:31 am

    after doing so much reading here… there is too much of uncertainty with the practice, procedures,protocol of stem cells company lor… who is the best.. dunno, where is the point to justify ??? by numbers of customer ??? no la pls… u can be so good at con selling wat…
    locally accredited is as good as internationally accredited???
    then no need study at overseas laa or ask the mat salleh come here to gif lecture lor..
    hahaha tat makes me wanna laugh. It is nothing wrong to compare, but using the yardstick of non-expert is just not enough !
    No matter wat the rest is up to the individuals to decide…

  • 371. SelinaTiu  |  November 5, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Dear “alternative perspective”,

    Quote from your sentense – “Probably getting a donor may be equally time efficient”.

    I wonder, If everyone has the same mind set as you, where storing has minimal benefit and chose not to store, someday if u or me needs it, where should we find for a donor?

    Not to sound rough, just wonder. pls share if you have better idea or I mis-understood. I am in a rush, do not have time to read the whole long blog cause my due date is few days away. I am thinking whether to store or not… Like other parents, we care for our children. We want to give them the best. Thanks ^-^

  • 372. LaughinG Buddha  |  November 12, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Hi “everyone”. this is the best stem cell forum i have seen so far.
    it is so informative here. I’ve learned a lot… but too bad…. girls…. pls make it short next time =P
    We all are modern, proffesional, busy city dweller,
    and please use layman term to explain don’t use your “jargon” ya.
    esp the stemlie girL here no. 365

  • 373. Dr O & G - ed lai sifu  |  November 12, 2008 at 6:23 pm

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  • 374. annoyed  |  November 14, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    wow..nearly 400 comments, tats exciting~ but after all, i feel tat most of the ppl who left comment here are SL-hater or other-SC-bank-supporter or maybe SL-protecter, and tats the purpose for this website been created, rite?…so, my personal point of view, for expectant mum, DO YOUR OWN RESERACH on each company! dun try seek help here, coz u wont get the fair information. How I got to know this web? sad to say, some bank did provide me this, and they are quite happy and proud after telling me abt this… so, for the company who told me this web, sorry, byebye.

  • 375. Boss  |  January 2, 2009 at 1:15 am

    Just out of curiosity, did the author get fired from the company? Or was the author once an employee? If so, why wasn’t these comments posted during period of employment? In my personal opinion, there are so much personal emotion and negativity involved in the reasons, and sorry to say…. with the author’s attitude and emotion, he/she deserved to be ‘X’ from the company and guess what, he/she is indirectly helping to promote this company X instead. GOOD BRANDING!!!

  • 376. Lita  |  March 31, 2009 at 2:01 am

    Did you know of any case in SL that contamination actually occurred?

  • 377. Tim  |  June 18, 2009 at 2:50 am

    Why this blog is not updated. This can help a lots of parents when deciding which company to engage..

  • 378. ibu  |  July 6, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    This is a good forum for stem cells storage reference.
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  • 379. really p***ed off  |  August 12, 2009 at 9:59 am

    i am PBSC patient of company x & have just had viability of stem cells checked by independant company & found it to be 35%. What bloody use is that? I paid RM18,000 for package! & Have stored it for future use & i am one of the 1 in 10,000 who needs them. Due to the low % of the cells, there is likely more irritation & inflammation being caused with each injection due to the residue of dead cells etc
    Cannot believe these people are ripping off the public like this! We the public are putting faith in this company to provide us with a solution to future health issues we may have.How is it possible that this is infact legal!! Company X is nothing but a money making scheme. I strongly suggest nobody uses them. How do they even sleep at night? Do to such harm to people’s hopes.

  • 380. tim  |  August 13, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    I hear there’s an Indian company in Malaysia selling stem cells from rabits to inject into humans. What do you think about this?! Can animal stem cells be put into human too? http://www.stemcell.com.my/home.html

  • 381. XXX  |  October 27, 2009 at 1:52 am

    Now you know why company X sucks! Just because they are listed, it doesn’t mean better. For a company that store infected cases, well it tells a lot about that company’s attitute.

  • 382. Eagle  |  November 2, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Company stemlie always sell package include transplant cost. Cover about RM 100, 000 .. Hey.. anybody don’t kena cheat.
    Bank Negara not allow Cord Bank sell transplat insurance to client. It is againt the laws.
    Current only Berjaya Sompo which is tie together with stemlie and stemtech.
    other is Great Eastern. Now only this two company is allowed given isured together with aggreement. Company itself can not cover hospital translant insurance. They are not insurance company.
    Imaging, They sell you RM 2000 , and they help u pay RM5000 premiun, that is imposible. Think smart. . If they said does, ask them give u polisi. When u ask them, then they said no cover lah.
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  • 383. Eagle  |  November 2, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Terrible : Stemlie or OTher company said that Cover RM 25,000 for transportation insurance.. When I know this story. It just a marketing strategy..
    When there was few case the cord blood transfer from JB to LAb Stemlie. They use the Bas.
    Nevermind.. When that the case that the bus driver couldn’t contact hotline few time, then the cord Blood cases still in PUDU bas station. After few days, client call back sale rep, then they investigate. The cases still in pudu bas station already few days.

    How they avoid to pay RM 25,000, Their lab report said the Blood contaminate , kena kotor. So can not store. Tipu lah…

    RM 25,000 cover just a marketing tool Still got lobang to avoid.

  • 384. Eagler  |  November 28, 2009 at 5:46 pm

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    Eagle (383), I agreed with you & it is their marketing strategy, but i heard that com C is using independent lab to test the cord blood, com X is in-house testing. That means com C is more reliable and trusted la.

  • 388. Joean  |  February 12, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    “3. Company X for the last 5 years claimed that storage in cryovials are horrible, …”

    I think storing in bag is horrible as SL claimed the bag has two compartment, 20ml and 5ml, most of the it can be used once. but Cryocord has option of 5 vials. it can be used based on volume needed. so it can used more than once.

    SL is like Microsoft, not creative and always blame others’ technologies are bad. at least Cryocord is a bit like Apple, more innovative to think of problem.

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  • 389. nazli  |  February 17, 2011 at 10:07 pm

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  • 392. Bloody Cryocord  |  September 14, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    I didn’t do any research before I went for Cryocord for their 2M Package (RM5,300 + $590 for subsequent years) simply because I knew the salesperson from that company.

    2M means they store both Cordblood and CordMSCs. Google “CordMSCs” if you don’t know what that is.

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    This kind of company is only interested in profit, they don’t put customers first. They have no idea how to make a customer happy. Maybe there is no ethical company in this industry after all. I lost money, it’s not there problem, the money has changed hands, and you’re stuck, they knew they would win.

  • 393. marymama  |  November 2, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Dear *Bloody Cryocord*

    First of all,i believed it shud be some miscommunication upon your signed up.
    Im so proud to be Cryocord’s client as they were so informative and professional.
    I stored my child CordMSCs too. Rm1500 will be retained if the cells are unable to grow. everything involves cost for the process. if everything is free, i believed you should be the happiest one.
    I personally think that your whole comments are confusing yourself and wouldnt influence other for stop choosing Cryocord.
    read back and think twice before you say.
    “you say it, but we judge it”.

  • 394. marymama  |  November 3, 2011 at 9:51 am

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    I’ve got an example for you.. if a doctor is doing a surgery for a patient, there’s is no guarantee too. if the patient died, you still have to pay him the operation cost. am i right?

  • 395. Bloody Crycord  |  November 13, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Hi Marymama,

    Haha, you sounded so desperate, who would believe you’re “just” their client?

    Also, does your experience makes everyone else’s invalid? Having said that, you’re not wrong either, you just love to judge especially if it’s in your interest to do so. Haven’t you heard doctors got sued when the patient die?

    You’re entitled to your own opinion, but you just miss the point of how a business should learn from customer’s feedback instead of stressing how “so professional” your company is, WOW, that’s a pretty obvious promotional hype.

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